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Congress chases terrorists, gets dealers (coin dealers)
Numismatic News ^ | December 1, 2005 | David C. Harper

Posted on 12/01/2005 5:06:36 PM PST by atomic_dog

Congress chases terrorists, gets dealers

By David C. Harper

Congress is an interesting branch of the government. Talk to people. Nobody wants Congress sticking its fingers in their lives. I have never met a person who sincerely wanted Congress messing around in his life.

People I have met want Congress messing around in other people’s lives. There is always some villain they think that Congress should be chasing, not the rest of us.

Top of the list of congressional targets to chase are terrorists. Who better than terrorists for Congress to go after? Right? They are worst of the bad.

I won’t defend terrorists. That would be dumb. However, I think it important to point out that as Congress chases terrorists, it has passed a law now up for renewal called the Patriot Act that chases coin and precious metals dealers.

Congress is afraid that coin dealers doing their daily business might somehow unsuspectingly help terrorists finance their activities. This foul deed of helping terrorists comes under the heading of money laundering. Funny, money laundering used to come under the heading of helping drug dealers, but, hey, they are yesterday’s bad guys. We’re after terrorists now.

Anyway, American laws that helped prevent coin dealers from inadvertently laundering money for drug dealers apparently are now not adequate for preventing them from laundering money for terrorists. Something stricter is needed, according to Congress.

So, while much of America sleeps, coin dealers will on Jan. 1 be required to have a written customized anti-money laundering policy. They will need a designated compliance officer. They need to be educated on the topic in a ongoing manner and they need to be subjected to independent testing to monitor and maintain their state of readiness to defend America against money laundering.

Congress is so concerned about the new money laundering threat that the Internal Revenue Service has already begun asking dealers for their anti-money laundering plans before the compliance deadline has even arrived. That’s vigilance. Furthermore, these new requirements are over and above cash reporting requirements, which mandate dealers maintain records and file Form 8300 to report cash transactions that individually or in a related aggregate total $10,000 or more.

The Patriot Act doesn’t stop at just cash. Terrorists may use a check, so dealers who have never dealt in cash or cash-like monetary instruments before will also have to file these new plans under Section 352 of the Patriot Act.

Congress has discovered that there are whole countries whose sole economic purpose in life is to be home to banks that work with terrorists, write checks for terrorists and otherwise provide access to the international money clearing system that eliminates the need for terrorists to carry around suitcases full of cash.

Why these terrorists would then be trying to convert their easily transportable paper and electronic funds into gold American Eagles is not explained. They usually have under-the-table government backing from the likes of Iran, or some harmless-sounding fake charity. Why they would be lugging gold around in the USA like a drug dealer is not clear, but if we have the defenses against drug dealing already, shouldn’t that be adequate for preventing essentially the same money-laundering process?

This law doesn’t apply just to coin dealers. It also applies to dealers in gemstones. Why? Well, Congress knows that warlords once captured and held gemstone mines in the civil war in Sierra Leone. They mined the deposits and used the stones to purchase guns.

Will terrorists take over the only diamond mine in the United States, grab as many stones as they can and only through the vigilance of U.S. coin and gemstone dealers be identified, caught and properly dealt with?

Now you know why America needs Congress and why the nation’s coin dealers must write their mandatory anti-money laundering plans. The fate of the nation hangs on them.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 109th; congress; moneytrail; nnumismatics; patriotact; terrorists
Yet more foolishness from D.C.
1 posted on 12/01/2005 5:06:36 PM PST by atomic_dog
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To: atomic_dog

BTTT


2 posted on 12/01/2005 5:22:35 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Tagline Repair Service. Let us fix those broken Taglines. Inquire within(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: atomic_dog

Just in time to stick it to anybody smart enough to be dabbling in gold.

They are closing these escape hatches with perfect timing -- first the bankruptcy overhaul and now this.


3 posted on 12/01/2005 5:25:12 PM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: atomic_dog

Next thing you know Congress will be closing our borders to terrorists....we wouldn't want them to drown wading the Rio Grande with all those gold coins....


4 posted on 12/01/2005 5:45:10 PM PST by rolling_stone (Question Authority!)
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To: atomic_dog

How exactly are the regs worded?

Do they, for example, affect individuals dumping a few
coins on eBay?


5 posted on 12/01/2005 5:45:55 PM PST by Boundless (I'm not selling coins, but know someone who is.)
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To: atomic_dog
Yet more foolishness from D.C.

Stupid people, like whale crap, eventually sink to the bottom and end up in a useless government position.

Speak, tagline, speak!

Gooooooood tagline.

6 posted on 12/01/2005 5:49:59 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: atomic_dog

The real targets of these Congressional schemes are people who want to put some portion of their wealth outside the reach of the government


7 posted on 12/01/2005 5:52:41 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the conceit to think they will be the planners)
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To: Boundless
Do they, for example, affect individuals dumping a few coins on eBay?

That is exactly what I was concerned about and I went an looked at Section 352 of the Patriot Act and the Bank Secrecy Act (31 CFR 103) and it would seem to be that if you keep your transaction below $3000 then you're in the clear

8 posted on 12/01/2005 6:04:44 PM PST by atomic_dog
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To: atomic_dog
"I went an looked at Section 352 of the Patriot Act and the Bank Secrecy Act (31 CFR 103) and it would seem to be that if you keep your transaction below $3000 then you're in the clear"

Do 10 transactions at $2900 and see how "clear" you are. Limits like these have a tendency to be arbitrary, and those trying to circumvent them (for whatever reason) often come under suspicion, regardless of the reasoning. "Lawful" is quickly becoming a relative term.
9 posted on 12/01/2005 6:08:24 PM PST by NJ_gent (Modernman should not have been banned.)
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To: rolling_stone

Au contraire. Rio Grande will be stocked with pirahnas, and then a federal dredge will pick all these coins from the river channel. Coins will go towards the national debt. Some deep strategery's gone into it.</p>


10 posted on 12/01/2005 6:43:26 PM PST by GSlob
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To: atomic_dog

Big brother wants to know who is hoarding gold.
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11 posted on 12/01/2005 6:55:31 PM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: mugs99
"Big brother wants to know who is hoarding gold."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.......
Terrorists carry tons of gold Coins thats why they have all those guns and such, guess the OIL and DRUG money is just for Fun.

IRS is worried someone figgered a way around them and we all know congress wants to keep the gravy train rolling on even "Republicans" are talking about taxing the rich oil co's and those mean stock owners dividends. BUSH may soon back tax hikes as he has turned his compassion for illegals and big spending to high to improve his image with MSM and liberals+ as they say stupid is as stupid does.
12 posted on 12/01/2005 7:35:29 PM PST by ConsentofGoverned (if a sucker is born every minute, what are the voters?)
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To: ConsentofGoverned
as they say stupid is as stupid does

Couldn't have said it better myself!
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13 posted on 12/01/2005 7:43:11 PM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: mugs99
Big brother wants to know who is hoarding gold.

Oh man you're high. They'd never care about that ...
/S

14 posted on 12/01/2005 9:27:18 PM PST by atomic_dog
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To: atomic_dog

I can see that in our future!
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15 posted on 12/01/2005 9:42:54 PM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: atomic_dog

They left off dealing in scrap copper, aluminum, and steel. I still have a loop hole to exploit.


16 posted on 12/02/2005 1:12:41 AM PST by Chewbacca (Not all men are fools. The smart ones are still bachelors.)
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To: atomic_dog

Forget gold...buy SILVER. It's the better value anyway.


17 posted on 12/04/2005 3:38:18 AM PST by Capitalism2003
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