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White House calls Democrats irresponsible on Iraq
Reuters ^ | Thu Dec 1, 2005 4:46 PM ET | Steve Holland

Posted on 12/01/2005 1:57:45 PM PST by Jean S

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House called irresponsible on Thursday those Democrats who said that President George W. Bush lacked a strategy on Iraq, as Sen. John Kerry said a policy shift was needed to reflect realities on the ground.

Some partisan squabbling was heard the day after Bush laid out his "plan for victory," although Democrats were not as uniformly dismissive of Bush as they had been.

The president, seeking to bolster Americans' support for war in the face of rising casualties and to restore confidence in his leadership, said in his speech on Wednesday that time and patience were needed for training Iraqi forces.

He held out the possibility of a reduction in U.S. troop levels eventually, once Iraqis are able to fight the insurgency on their own and if progress is made on the political front looking ahead to Iraq's December 15 elections.

"Those Democratic congressional leaders who try to suggest that we don't have a plan are deeply irresponsible," said White House spokesman Scott McClellan, who reiterated it was possible to bring some troops home next year.

A snap poll by CNN/Gallup/USA Today after Bush's speech said 55 percent of respondents believed Bush did not have a plan to "achieve victory for the United States in Iraq."

Polls in recent months have shown waning public support for the 2 1/2-year war. Concern over the war has also been a factor pushing Bush's popularity ratings to the lowest of his presidency.

Kerry, who lost the presidential race to Bush a year ago, said Democrats, "are all in agreement that there has to be a profound shift of admitting the reality on the ground and beginning to establish a schedule that we can understand on behalf of the American people about transfer of authority."

The Massachusetts senator described a scaled-down role for U.S. troops, to help guard oil pipelines and guard people working on construction projects.

"You don't need 160,000 people to be doing what we're doing in Iraq today, this is not World War Two, this is not Korea, this is not Vietnam. The principal enemy are IEDs (improvised explosive devices) and suicide bombers," Kerry said.

Kerry was at the White House for a ceremony honoring the late civil rights activist Rosa Parks, but quickly dove into the Iraq topic in talking to reporters on the White House driveway.

MISTAKES ADMITTED

A sharp Bush critic, Delaware Democratic Sen. Joe Biden, told CNN he did not hear a solid plan from Bush but that he appreciated that the president "leveled with the American people" by admitting mistakes had been made in Iraq and that much remained to be done.

"He laid out the goals, said it's going to be hard, said give him time, but he didn't tell us how he was going to change the game plan to accomplish that," Biden said.

Marine Corps Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said in a speech military leaders had not adequately explained progress in that country to Americans worried about the rising cost in casualties and money.

"Guys like me have not articulated well enough what is happening in Iraq and in Afghanistan," Pace said. "Every place I look in the (Iraqi) political and economic realm I see progress. And clearly inside the security realm I see enormous progress."

The State Department's Iraq coordinator, James Jeffreys, declined to be drawn out on when U.S. forces would be able to hand over to Iraqi troops and return home.

Asked whether Iraq was in the throes of a civil war, he said Bosnia had been a civil war and Iraq was not at this stage, adding that an early U.S. withdrawal raised this possibility.

(Additional reporting by Sue Pleming and Charles Aldinger)


TOPICS: Breaking News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 109th; iraq; johnkerry; kerry; oif; rats; traitors; victorystrategy
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1 posted on 12/01/2005 1:57:46 PM PST by Jean S
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To: JeanS

Bump.


2 posted on 12/01/2005 1:58:44 PM PST by Howlin ("Victory is not a strategy. " ``Jack Murtha 11/18/05)
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To: JeanS

Does Kerry seriously think anybody gives a **** what he thinks?


3 posted on 12/01/2005 1:59:13 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852

The sad part is that he DOES!


4 posted on 12/01/2005 2:00:28 PM PST by yobid (What we have here is a failure to communicate)
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To: yobid

Surely by now even he is beginning to doubt it. LOL


6 posted on 12/01/2005 2:01:44 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: JeanS

If the shoe fits...


7 posted on 12/01/2005 2:02:04 PM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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To: Howlin
You bet they are irresponsible! And have been for the last two years! 'Bout time someone called them on it!

Who besides me thinks Scott McClellan is part of the problem? He's just not a forceful, deliberative spokesperson. Ari Fleisher, now THERE was a spokesman. Why does the President keep this guy on? We need Mary Matalin or Karen Hughes or somebody with a little fire in the belly!

8 posted on 12/01/2005 2:04:21 PM PST by pettifogger
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To: JeanS

Dems always reaching out to their "moonbat base".


9 posted on 12/01/2005 2:04:44 PM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: JeanS

IRRESPONSIBLE!!! HELL, THEY'RE TRAITORS GIVING AID AND COMFORT TO THE ENEMY.


10 posted on 12/01/2005 2:05:46 PM PST by KenmcG414 (wHAT'ST)
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To: pettifogger

Scott should does need a "promotion."


11 posted on 12/01/2005 2:06:07 PM PST by Howlin ("Victory is not a strategy. " ``Jack Murtha 11/18/05)
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To: pettifogger

Why does the President keep this guy on?

Answer: He doesn't want to p-off Karen Hughes.


12 posted on 12/01/2005 2:06:49 PM PST by irons_player
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To: JeanS

EVERYONE needs to look at this page. It was posted a few days ago, and is TERRIFFIC!!!

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http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htiw/articles/20051129.aspx


13 posted on 12/01/2005 2:07:53 PM PST by jcb8199
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To: JeanS
"You don't need 160,000 people to be doing what we're doing in Iraq today, this is not World War Two, this is not Korea, this is not Vietnam. The principal enemy are IEDs (improvised explosive devices) and suicide bombers," Kerry said.

No, asshat, this is World War III and Iraq is just one theater of that war. You endanger our troops with our rhetoric as it, like it did during Vietnam, emboldens the enemy to hold on a little longer and kill a few more of our soldiers in hopes that you will succeed in undermining our effort and cause our eventual surrender. I wish you could be arrested for your crimes, you *%&#$#$!!!

14 posted on 12/01/2005 2:08:39 PM PST by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: pettifogger
Who besides me thinks Scott McClellan is part of the problem?

anybody that won't stand up to Helen and the Hermaphrodites, Gregory and Moran....

The press conferences are really painful to watch if you're on our side.

15 posted on 12/01/2005 2:09:53 PM PST by digger48
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To: jcb8199

Excellent link! You should post that here.


16 posted on 12/01/2005 2:09:54 PM PST by Jean S
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To: irons_player
He doesn't want to p-off Karen Hughes.

(showing immense ignorance here) Huh? McClellan is Hughes' guy?

17 posted on 12/01/2005 2:10:08 PM PST by pettifogger
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To: digger48
The press conferences are really painful to watch if you're on our side

You got that right. I really think a Rummy-style press secretary could have nipped a lot of this "Bush Lied," "Valarie Plame" and "quagmire" crap in the bud RIGHT away!

18 posted on 12/01/2005 2:12:10 PM PST by pettifogger
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To: JeanS

I think I found it here first...


19 posted on 12/01/2005 2:12:43 PM PST by jcb8199
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To: JeanS

Quote: "A snap poll by CNN/Gallup/USA Today after Bush's speech said 55 percent of respondents believed Bush did not have a plan to "achieve victory for the United States in Iraq."

In other words, a poll taken before the speech could have any impact. Most people were at work and could not view the speech until they returned home. The President should consider giving a speech in prime time somewhere in the near future. At any rate, nice try MSM, but the speech still will have an impact whether you like it or not.

I also like that the White House is continuing to call the democrats irresponsible and to keep naming names. I would like to see sharper responses, but this is a good step given that over the summer the White House would not even have addressed the critics.


20 posted on 12/01/2005 2:12:56 PM PST by FlipWilson
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