TRY AGAIN, MR. PRESIDENT -- THOSE WERE EMPTY WORDS [The Presidnet's Amnesty Program]

Neal Boortz ^ | Nov. 29, 2005 | Neal Boortz

[conservativecorner]

Yesterday, George W. Bush strode to a podium in Tucson, Arizona (I love Tucson!) and against a backdrop of law enforcement officers, announced his latest plan to crack down on illegal aliens. There was nothing in his speech we haven't heard before, and his new immigration policy is just as contradictory as the old one. Among the initiatives announced:

We should build more jail cells to hold illegal aliens. Good idea. The speeding up of deportations, a crackdown on fraudulent identity papers, and a hardening of the border with more surveillance. So far, so good. Then the nonsense started to flow. The president urged Congress to pass his guest-worker amnesty program and repeated the nonsense that the illegal aliens are here "to fill jobs that Americans will not do."

Same old, same old. It is impossible to stand there and say you're going to crack down on illegal immigration while at the same time say that you are going to reward people who broke our immigration laws. The president says it's not amnesty. Ok, now we've finally caught the president in a lie. OF COURSE it's amnesty! When you tell someone who has broken the law that you are not only going to ignore their illegal conduct, but you are actually going to reward them for it, then you have more than plain old garden variety amnesty, you have amnesty with perks!

As for the oft-repeated line that the illegal aliens fill jobs Americans won't, that's also a load. Companies may not be able to fill those jobs with Americans at the same low wages they pay Mexicans, but there are plenty of people in this country that would do the work at the right price. OK .. so the price of headless chickens, landscaping and construction might go up, but at least the people receiving those paychecks would be law-abiding residents of this country, most of whom would be citizens. There is something wrong with the idea of celebrating lower home prices when those lower prices are brought with disrespect for the laws of our country. It gets worse than that. We are threatening our very security by singing the praises of illegal aliens in our workforce. Just two weeks ago we were interviewing a Texas congressman who was telling us that U.S. intelligence agencies have knowledge that Al Qaeda terrorists have moved to Mexico, adopted Hispanic identities, learned the Spanish language, and then moved right into the United States across our porous borders.

George Bush failed to address the problem appropriately yesterday, but this isn't strictly a George Bush issue. There is absolutely no willingness on the part of either political party to crack down on illegal immigration. There are simply too many votes to be had in the Hispanic community. So as a result, our security as a nation is threatened and our cities and states are overrun with illegal aliens.

I'm sure representatives of Al-Qaeda are preparing to apply for their guest-worker permits as we speak.

[Spiff]

I have a strong sense that Republicans will someday view GWB as the Jimmy Carter of the Republican Party.

Some day?

[defenderSD]

Calm down man. You're getting irrational here. I'm signing off and going to lunch to get away from all these maniacs on this site right now...lol.

[nicmarlo]

A good portion of the English Language DID NOT come from Mexico. That is not to say no words did, but a "good portion" most certainly did not.

I suggest before you rewrite the History of the English Language, you actually read texts already written on said subject:

Indo-European and Germanic Influences

English is a member of the Indo-European family of languages. This broad family includes most of the European languages spoken today. The Indo-European family includes several major branches:

* Latin and the modern Romance languages;
* The Germanic languages;
* The Indo-Iranian languages, including Hindi and Sanskrit;
* The Slavic languages;
* The Baltic languages of Latvian and Lithuanian (but not Estonian);
* The Celtic languages; and
* Greek.

The influence of the original Indo-European language, designated proto-Indo-European, can be seen today, even though no written record of it exists. The word for father, for example, is vater in German, pater in Latin, and pitr in Sanskrit. These words are all cognates, similar words in different languages that share the same root.

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http://www.wordorigins.org/histeng.htm

[EternalVigilance]

Evidently you didn't understand what I wrote in my other posts.

I understood them perfectly, to the extent they were intelligable.

Go back and read them again,

I'm not a glutton for punishment.

...then think about it hard and unemotionally until tomorrow. Then get back to me.

No, because then there will be ten more apologists for invasion to deal with.

Remember, you have to have low-skilled workers to keep the business going to provide jobs for all the highly paid American workers.

We have plenty already. They're called 'teenagers' and 'welfare recipients'.

BTW, illegal immigrants don't get paid enough to have any significant impact on real estate prices.

You're ignorant.

The feds need to pick up the tab for hospital costs and that is starting to happen in this year's budget.

Your statist/socialist mentality is astounding.

I want to sharply reduce the number of new immigrants and run a background check on all of them, but it's a really bad idea to force all the illegals out of the country.

Lies and obfuscation aren't getting you any further than they are getting George W. Bush.

[oldbrowser]

I'm sorry, but the pilgrims who fled religious oppression did not bring taco bell and tito puente with them.

The pilgrims were illegal immigrants.

[Paul Ross]

He squandered a huge opportunity on the backs of many conservative voters who got him elected.

And to the extent he masquerades as a conservative, he does affirmative damage to the next generation's understanding of what conservative values are or should be. His public attacks on true conservatives demonstrate a truly divisive and destructive bent. His revisionist immigration and deficit-spending politics and "see-no-evil" China apologetics...are not simple triangulations. They are destructive of all the ground that Ronald Reagan won in the hearts and minds of the vast majority of Americans. GWB is lamely trashing Reagan philosophy, and policies, while praising him faintly with his lips.

These bad deeds by GWB have borne a truly evil political fruit, that can be quantitatively measured: When Bush came in, Clinton was truly despised across the land, now he has so refurbished and rehabilitated him that Xlinton has a 65% favorable rating!

[nicmarlo]

I have a supposition for you:

I suppose these are your opinions, speculation, and conjecture.

You have no sources to cite to back up your claims of any kind of devastation upon America's economy with the loss of "all illegals" from America.

And I presume you are not factoring in, either, the DRAIN to our society, in the billions, for their medical care, jail, extra law enforcement needs, educational burden in elementary schools, burden in higher educational settings, drug smuggling, rapes, murders, drunken driving accidents, etc.

[Plutarch]

The feds need to pick up the tab for hospital costs and that is starting to happen in this year's budget.

Oh, the feds will pay for those hospital costs. Great! Hey, wait, don't we taxpayers pay for the feds?

Maybe the employers who benefit from the cheap labor could pay the $89,000 each illegal costs the taxpayers. They never seem to volunteer to pony up.

...run a background check on all of them.

Right, as if that is going to happen.

[oldbrowser]

Well, you can certainly start a thread on your issues one, two and three, and propound away. But this is an illegal-immigration thread, which judging from the number of posts, is important to a lot of Freepers who think that 11-20 million people illegally in the country, while our borders remain porous, is not particuarly trivial.

I don't think it is trivial at all, I am just trying to inject a little balance.

[rolling_stone]

The pilgrims were illegal immigrants.

The indians didn't enforce their immigration laws and look what happened to them...If the invasion continues will the Mexicans give me a Casino to live off of?

[oldbrowser]

The indians didn't enforce their immigration laws and look what happened to them..

touche.

[Spiff]

It's simple. If suddenly 7 million jobs are lost, you'd have a massive decline in consumer spending and tremendous disruption of production in all kinds of industries because of the lost workers. All kinds of agricultural companies would lose 75% of their production and sales revenues. That's the impact of destroying such a large number of jobs in a relatively short time.

So, if I find that my business partner has been engaging in illegal business practices and cooking the books to avoid paying taxes, but it is critical to the bottom line of my business and the financial impact of correcting the illegal activity would disrupt my business, then, in your mind, I should just continue to let my business partner continue his illegal activities?

[Spiff]

The pilgrims were illegal immigrants.

Yeah! And then they stole the land from Indians. So, I guess it is OK with you if I come over and shove you off your property and lay claim to it because that's what the pilgrims did.

I can't believe you seriously posted this comment. It is almost as stupid as Dane's distracting drivel.

[calrighty]

"Every time he speaks about immigration, he encourages people to flood our borders."

Which is what he wants. He ain't that dumb.

[judgeandjury]

I guess these folks expect the dog catchers to get out there and round up 13 million people with their nets and trucks and haul them out of "their" country.
What a simple idea. Problem is it will never happen.
Something needs to be done to track these workers WHO HAVE BEEN HERE FOR YEARS and Bush is trying to do that. The reason even Reagan chose amnesty at one point ought to point out to people the great difficulty in this issue.
Again another republican divider. "Do as I say or else" kinda thinking. No wonder we are considered intolerant and hateful.
I suggest those of you so comfortable in your American homes might consider what it would be like not to be so LUCKY to be born to this country and desire freedom. And the sanctimony of those crying "do it legally" is very easy to say.

Just what we need on these immigration threads, another illegal immigration apologist. By the way, illegal aliens who are currently in the United States aren't in "their" country. They're in somebody else's country and they're there ILLEGALLY.

I am sick of you "conservatives" sometimes.

And we conservatives are sick of people like you who refuse to put the United States and Americans first.

[oldbrowser]

The Indo-European family includes several major branches:
* Latin and the modern Romance languages;

Spanish, the language spoken in Mexico and most of South America is also comes from Latin.

That's why the call it Latin America.

[jackbenimble]

Profits is good and helps the economy

How do you feel about illegal drug dealers? They make plenty of profits.

Personally, I am a huge fan of legally earned profits. It is profits from illegal activity like hiring illegal aliens that I object to.

But my point in my previous post was that the idea that cheap illegal labor results in cheaper prices for consumers is an economic fallacy. The savings do not get passed on. Prices are based on supply and demand. If you look at a supply and demand graph you will find quantity on one axis and price on the other. You will not find the cost of labor anywhere on the graph because it has nothing to do with the price. The producers pocket the labor cost savings as illegal profits.

[judgeandjury]

The pilgrims were illegal immigrants.

Really? What law(s) did the Pilgrims violate by coming to North America?

[chris1]

Your good!

[Calpernia]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1530000/posts
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