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To: laney
"You shall not make for yourself a carved image - any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them" Ex. 20:4-5a).

It just seems to me that if we followed directions we would not find ourselves in this situation.

5 posted on 11/28/2005 9:12:33 AM PST by Former Fetus (fetuses are 100% pro-life, they just don't vote yet!)
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To: Former Fetus

I'm with you on the following directions bit. I might also add that I can't figure out why so many folks want to pray to the Virgin Mary or other Saints that have been declared Saints by living men. Why pray to what were once mere humans when the Living God exists?


8 posted on 11/28/2005 9:16:32 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: Former Fetus

"You shall not make for yourself a carved image - any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth"

If we followed that injuction to the letter our art would resemble that of Mecca and Medina.

As for the last part of the quote, Catholics don't worship statues - they revere the individuals they represent. As a matter of fact, even the pagan Romans and Greeks didn't actually worship the statutes of their gods - they recognized them as representations. The Ancient Egyptians, on the other hand, appear to actually have believed that their Gods like Amun, resided in statues.


11 posted on 11/28/2005 9:21:50 AM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Former Fetus

Who's bowing down or serving? Not Catholics.


19 posted on 11/28/2005 9:28:58 AM PST by Solson (magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.)
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To: Former Fetus
"You shall not make for yourself a carved image - any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them" Ex. 20:4-5a).

The important point. Otherwise God would be contradicting himself when he commands the carving of images:

Numbers 21:8

The LORD said to Moses, "Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live."


20 posted on 11/28/2005 9:30:40 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Former Fetus

It is a common misconception by protestants that Catholic's adore statues. The images only help to concentrate on the prayers and sacrifices. Catholic's do not "bow down to the statues nor serve them." A little research on your part would have dispelled this nonsense.


21 posted on 11/28/2005 9:32:01 AM PST by crymeariver
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To: Former Fetus

So are you against all statutes of people, animals, and plants, or just ones of religious figures?

In seriousness, your point is taken, in that too many people (and NOT singling out the Roman catholic denomination) tend toward paganism/iconism, rather than focusing on the actual Christ/ represented by some statue.

I mean people use crosses like they are magical totems -- they're not special, just metal/wood/whatever.

What they represent is what is Holy.


28 posted on 11/28/2005 9:35:52 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: Former Fetus
"You shall not make for yourself a carved image - any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them" Ex. 20:4-5a).

Let us not prooftext out of context.

48 posted on 11/28/2005 9:56:10 AM PST by The Iguana
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To: Former Fetus

Seems so obvious... how can anyone call themselves Christian and fawn over a carved image?


52 posted on 11/28/2005 10:02:20 AM PST by thoughtomator (What'ya mean you formatted the cat!?)
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To: Former Fetus

So you follow all the other rules in the Old Testament to the letter too? Glad to hear it!

How's it going with those monthly new-moon sweet-smelling holocausts of bullocks, rams and lambs?

Seriously, the distinction is in the worship. Contrary to popular, yet ignorant, belief, Catholics do not worship statues!


70 posted on 11/28/2005 11:32:58 AM PST by GatorGirl
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To: Former Fetus
"You shall not make for yourself a carved image - any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;

So I guess that means that we should destroy all sculpture and oil paintings and burn down the museums. After all, the Bible tells us not to make "any likeness of anything" - the ban is not only not to bow down to it - but just to MAKE it. I believe this is one of the tenets of Islam, and the reason they forbid drawings or carvings of people or animals.

Is that what you are suggesting?

And for the umpteenth time - Catholics do NOT worship Mary - they venerate her - a big difference.

108 posted on 11/29/2005 5:51:38 AM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Former Fetus

That quote is from the Old Testament. Christ, by his death and vicarious atonement, freed us from the requirements set for in the Old Testament needed for salvation.


151 posted on 11/29/2005 9:35:37 AM PST by SoftballMominVA
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