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Scott Burns: 3 pluses of a U.S. sales tax
Dallas Morning News ^ | 11/27/05 | Scott Burns

Posted on 11/28/2005 3:25:24 AM PST by Man50D

"I don't hate the rich; I just hate that I'm not one of them. I do, however, have a problem with a national sales tax on consumption."

So wrote San Antonio reader B.G. in response to my recent column saying it was time to bury the entire tax code and replace it with a national sales tax.

(Excerpt) Read more at dallasnews.com ...


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KEYWORDS: fairtax; taxes; taxreform
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To: Zon; Taxman
Youse guys are gettin' too damned literate and poetic for pore ol' mundane pigdog. Great sayins tho...


61 posted on 11/28/2005 6:32:48 PM PST by pigdog
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To: Always Right
The current system collects about $2 Trillion. The fairy tax is designed to collect $2.5 Trillion

Guess again fella..

Where do you think the tax refunds come from?

62 posted on 11/28/2005 6:40:50 PM PST by adamsjas
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
The Democrats want power, the country be damned! The naysayers on these threads want to protect the abominal present system because they are sucking off it, the country be damned!

A very astute observation.

Democrats like to fiddle with the tax code for their pet social causes. But this will not work with fairtax. Also the fact that FairTax makes it harder for them to hide tax increases because it will be there at the bottom of the sales receipt every time you buy something.

63 posted on 11/28/2005 6:46:30 PM PST by adamsjas
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To: Mind-numbed Robot; Bigun

It does not take one long to come to that understanding.

This is but one battle in the great culture war, which has been on-going since the dawn of man.

Ir really is a war, to the death, between two groups of people: 1. Those who believe that the only legitimate reason for government to exist is to guarantee each citizen's unalienable rights as stated in the Declaration of Independence; and, 2. Those who believe that government should decide which rights said citizens can exercise, and further that, they, the elites, should be in charge.

Those who stand in opposition to citizens exercising their unalienable rights also stand against the FairTax, and they are our blood enemies, not because they oppose the FairTax, but because they oppose us exercising our unalienable rights.


64 posted on 11/28/2005 7:30:14 PM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: pigdog

Every now and then, the Muse just sits there on my right shoulder and tells me what I need to say.

Sometimes the Muse gets it right!

Tahnks.


65 posted on 11/28/2005 7:33:47 PM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: pigdog; Taxman

Youse guys are gettin' too damned literate and poetic for pore ol' mundane pigdog. Great sayins tho...

Thanks, pigdog.

The first section addresses many bogus laws -- victimless "crimes" -- beyond the WOD. The remainder addresses Taxman's 64 post. "You" is used generically directed toward those that support violating persons unalienable rights.

If a person thinks they have been harmed by another person's act of possessing a drug then the person should take the drug possessor to court and convince an impartial jury. That way the "victim" may gain restitution for his or her pain and suffering.

You've never done that because you know that even if the judge didn't refuse the case as frivolous it would be highly improbable that you'd ever convince an impartial jury that the mere act of a person possessing drugs caused you harm. 

Instead, you'll argue that drug possession and or use causes harm to society -- causes harm to the group. You'll take a communitarian stand. Of course, you'll have to turn a blind eye to reality. That is, for a group of people to exist there is a prerequisite that first the individual must exist. 

Each time an individual is sacrificed -- in whole or in part -- the group suffers a loss.  Protect the rights of the smallest minority -- the lone individual -- and the rights of all minorities and the majority are protected.

The federal government creates each year, on average, 3,000 new laws and regulations. Each one of those laws has people that support it and will argue why the new law is necessary. Proclaiming that without those new laws people and society will run headlong into destruction.

In reality virtually every person breaks one or more laws several times a year. Yet with every person violating the law people and society have not moved toward self-destruction. Instead, individuals and society have increasingly prospered.

Over the past several years and decades people and society increasingly prospered despite not having the supposed benefits of future laws yet to come. Today, people and society increasingly prosper despite not having the supposed benefits of next year's new laws or, new laws to come five, ten or fifteen years in the future.

Ninety-eight percent of the people do not knowingly initiate force, threat of force or fraud against any person or their property. Though, through widespread ignorance most people negligently support government initiation of force/harm against persons and their property. See War of Two Worlds below.

Setting aside for the moment that government officials in all three branches of government violate laws, if it were possible to apprehend all lawbreakers next week, society would run headlong into destruction. It would come to a screeching halt.

As it is, a very small fraction of lawbreakers are ever apprehended for the laws they violate. The few that are apprehended and punished cause a drain on their lives, families and society. Meanwhile everybody else that violates the same laws, while semi free, pay the price of having their brothers and sisters sacrificed for the greater good of society.

The beneficiaries are the politicians, bureaucrats and their automatons. They're parasites leeching off The People, the hosts. Value destroyers draining value producers.

Ir really is a war, to the death, between two groups of people: 64

War of Two Worlds

Value Producers
vs.
Value Destroyers

66 posted on 11/28/2005 7:52:38 PM PST by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: Taxman; Your Nightmare; lewislynn; Always Right

Just so you'll know. The post I am responding to makes me think of you. How can you look in the mirror?


67 posted on 11/28/2005 8:20:14 PM PST by groanup (shred for Ian)
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To: Man50D

Scott Burns is a bright guy, but my concern with any national sales tax is that we'll eventually wind up with that AND and income tax.


68 posted on 11/28/2005 8:24:18 PM PST by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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To: groanup

I presume you are speaking to Your Nightmare, lewislynn and Always Right?

I was speaking to them, as well. And, the others.

We all know who they are: Those who speak strong and bitter words indicating they support a weak cause.


69 posted on 11/28/2005 8:32:26 PM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Mulder

But we cannot desert the field of battle based on our fears of what might transpire in the future!

We must stay the course, and cause our elected officials to come to understand that We the People demand they replace the income tax with a National Retail Sales Tax and abolish the Internal Revenue Service!


70 posted on 11/28/2005 8:35:01 PM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: groanup; Taxman
Those who stand in opposition to citizens exercising their unalienable rights also stand against the FairTax, and they are our blood enemies, not because they oppose the FairTax, but because they oppose us exercising our unalienable rights
Blood enemies...?

You're both overdramatic fools who'll never have anything unless government gives it/gave it to you.

oppose us exercising our unalienable rights
The opposite would be true if you had your way....hypocrites!
71 posted on 11/28/2005 10:05:43 PM PST by lewislynn (Fairtax facts = lies, dreams, hope, wishful thinking and conjecture.)
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To: Mulder
Scott Burns is a bright guy, but my concern with any national sales tax is that we'll eventually wind up with that AND and income tax.

I suggest you read the position of Americans For Fair Taxation at Could we end up with both the FairTax and an income tax?. AFFT will push to repeal the 16th Amendment.
72 posted on 11/29/2005 3:13:02 AM PST by Man50D
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To: groanup
Just so you'll know. The post I am responding to makes me think of you. How can you look in the mirror?M

And that is the problem with you fairy tax zealots. Your minds are so warped and you have bought into to so much bullcrap, that you associate the ultimate freedom with a tax system that charges 30 percent on every consumer purchase. You lie and spin to defend the system despite the truth being as plain as the nose on your face. The fairy tax is a damn cult. You guys are nuts. The fairy tax only does about 10 percent of what you claim it does. I can look in the mirror just fine, but I suggest you seek help.

73 posted on 11/29/2005 3:15:09 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Man50D
AFFT will push to repeal the 16th Amendment.

Really, they haven't yet.

74 posted on 11/29/2005 3:20:05 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Taxman

See 73, it applies to you too...


75 posted on 11/29/2005 3:22:23 AM PST by Always Right
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To: tiger-one
"The term "Fair Tax" is just another name to sell the program...just like the Libs use "investing", "fair share"

Call it what it is...A National Sales Tax...place your bets it will be the baseline to build on for more taxation.

Most people don't realize we have a large underground economy. A lot of people don't pay ANY "Income" tax at all. How do they get away with it? They don't report any income. They are paid in cash.
The National Sales Tax gets everybody. Whores, drug dealers, legals, illegals etc. etc. For that reason alone I am for it. . . . . .

V537

77 posted on 11/29/2005 4:50:24 AM PST by DeaconRed (Mr. Natural, What does it all mean? Mr. Natural says: "It don't mean sheet"! ! ! ! ! Mad Magazine'64)
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To: Always Right

Evil must be fought wherever it is found. That is the way it has always been, and probably always will be.

You are here, ergo, here is where you will be conFRonted.

And defeated.


78 posted on 11/29/2005 5:34:53 AM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Voter#537
Most people don't realize we have a large underground economy

Everyone realizes we have a large underground economy. What people also realize is that the fairy tax does nothing about it. Will the drug dealer remit $300 when he sells $1000 worth of drugs. If you want to claim the fairy tax caputres the underground economy, that is what has to happen. Today when a drug dealer buys a legal product, he pays the embedded taxes which fairy taxers claim is about 22%. Under the fairy tax, the drug dealer would pay about the same amount in sales tax, except it would be more visible. You really haven't captured any of the underground economy if you really want to be honest with your arguement. But honesty is not the strength of the fairy taxers.

79 posted on 11/29/2005 5:37:26 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right

Not really.


80 posted on 11/29/2005 5:39:33 AM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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