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Posted on 11/26/2005 3:47:37 PM PST by naturalman1975
ASIO fears home-grown terrorists may recruit children as young as 16 for suicide bombings.
The security agency has told the Government it is conceivable minors could be involved in suicide attacks on Australian soil based on evidence of similar incidents elsewhere.
Concerns about such a possibility led it to request the preventative detention powers for teenagers between 16 and 18, contained in the Government's anti-terror Bill due to go before Parliament before Christmas.
Police would be allowed to hold minors aged 16 and over in custody for a maximum two weeks on the basis of evidence they are involved in an imminent terrorist attack.
While in detention they may face interrogation by ASIO agents but will be entitled to daily visits from a parent or guardian.
A spokeswoman for Attorney General Philip Ruddock said the Government had to consider the potential for teenage terrorists.
"The reality is there are examples of minors being recruited, younger naive people being recruited and this has led to suicide bombings in other nation states," she said.
While most suicide bombers have been in their 20s, there have been cases of teenagers carrying out attacks in the Middle East.
ASIO outlined its fears of similar atrocities here through the Attorney-General's department in an answer to questions on notice posed by a Senate committee examining the anti-terror Bill.
"International experience confirms that persons under the age of 18 are actively involved with terrorist activity including suicide bombings, and it is conceivable that persons under the age of 18 may be involved with or associating with terrorists," it said.
Former ASIO officer Michael Roach said Islamic extremists targeted children and young people because they were more easily brain washed with selective teachings from the Koran.
"Younger people are more easily swayed," he said.
Mr Roach, a suicide bombing expert who now works as a private security consultant, said minors were attracted by the perceived glamour of terrorist activity but were not always aware what they were getting themselves into.
Muslim youth worker Fadi Rahman, who runs a centre in Lidcombe, said he feared alienated teenagers who did not feel they had a future in Australian society could be vulnerable to extremists.
"They need to feel they are part of the community," he said.
His concerns echo those of Australia's Islamic spiritual Sheik Taj Eldeen Alhilaly.
Earlier this month Sheik Alhilaly warned pressure on Muslim communities could turn young people against society and drive them "to do things in secret that do not help the nation's security".
Emad Elkheir, 17, said he was concerned new ASIO powers would provide police with another reason to target Muslim youths.
He said teenagers who resorted to violence went against Islam's teachings.
They will recruit them much younger than 16. They will murder the children of others any way they can.
This is not religion, it is a murder cult.
Boys went to sea as young as 12 not TOO long ago. Young teenagers were put to work at very early ages. Older teenagers were just part of the adult world.
But NOW, 16-17 year-olds are "children."
We have some very odd laws about those ages. In most states 16-year-olds can drive, but they aren't old enough to consent to sex with an adult. We trust 17-year-olds in the military but not with legal papers.
Gambling and drinking laws have even more distinctions.
Marriage laws are also so varied that it is IMPOSSIBLE to understand how we Americans regard those young men and women from 14-19....pubescent.
Just a Saturday night thought.
I'm off to see Handel's Messiah tonight, not the sing-along, the performance. Life is good....I'm sure glad I'm not in my teens anymore. It was a pain in the neck.
A sixteen or seventeen year old is not a child.
"drive them "to do things in secret that do not help the nation's security"."
And their doing such things could drive the nation to kill them in secret.
If they start targeting the 'gangsta-rap' crowd for recruitment in the U.S., we'll be in trouble.
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I was a boy midshipman myself in the RAN - we weren't allowed to join until we were 15 (it changed from 13 in the mid 1950s) but I quite routinely astonish people by mentioning how long the practice of letting children train as naval officers went on in this country.
But personally I'm all in favour of letting children be children as long as possible - I think that quite a lot of modern societies problems are being caused by the fact that we've allowed children in their teens to think that they are adults. Sure, decades ago, teens were expected to take on a lot more adult responsibilities - but there was no doubt about the fact that the real adults were still in charge and would take steps if needed. Kids weren't allowed to think that they had rights that overruled the adults who had charge of them. Even during the period I was at the Royal Australian Naval College, training for my career it was still clearly understood that if I misbehaved somebody would put a gymshoe across my backside. When I acted like an adult and a potential officer, I was treated as one. When I acted like a child, they treated me like that as well. We didn't see a conflict.
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When you read childrens' books from the 19th century, it's amazing how they look at "children" -- in the higher classes they are going to balls and paying calls at the age of 6, but they still talk baby talk and dress in pinafores outside the cities until they are 18.
But in the Little House on the Prairie books girls are married at 13.
Me too, but 10 is a child. Sixteen, seventeen a child? Nope. I don't think so.
They don't all have emotional maturity but they aren't children. They are pubescent. There are 25-year-olds with the emtional maturity of a child, so viewing them in only that way isn't really enough.
"Children" of 17 years and 364 days old can't vote or sign legal papers, but they are mature enough to be in the military and GET married and HAVE children. It's statuatory rape when an 18-year-old has sex with a 17-year-old. Go figure. Our laws DON'T MAKE SENSE. You know that.
However, at 18, they are "mature" enough to die for their country, but not "mature" enough to drink or gamble.
Children stop being children at pubescence. Most high school education is a total waste of time. Unless kids go to college (only 25%) they learn nothing useful to earn a living. From 14 on, they should be considered something older than "children."
They should work. But they should have adult supervision.
Our teenagers DON'T work but are considered old enough to be without the parental supervision. Thus, we have the problems with teen sex, STD's, drinking, alcoholism, drug abuse, Natalie Hollidays and so on. We do exactly the opposite with them that we should.
That's just an opinion. I taught that age for years. I now teach college age.
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