Posted on 11/22/2005 7:58:50 AM PST by cloud8
NEW YORK -- The Hall of Fame's doors will remain shut to Pete Rose, who won't appear on the baseball writers' ballot in his final year of eligibility.
Commissioner Bud Selig will not rule on Rose's application for reinstatement before the 2006 ballot is released Nov. 29, according to Bob DuPuy, baseball's chief operating officer.
Rose, who last year admitted he did bet on the Cincinnati Reds while managing the team in the late 1980s, doesn't understand why the rules, unless changed, won't allow him to ever appear on the annual ballot of the Baseball Writers' Association of America.
"How can I be on a list that expires after 15 years if I'm suspended?" Rose said Sunday in comments relayed to the Associated Press through his manager, Warren Greene. "It should be that time stops."
Rose, baseball's career hits leader, agreed to a lifetime ban in August 1989 following an investigation of his gambling, and the Hall's board of directors decided unanimously in February 2001 that anyone on the permanently ineligible list couldn't appear on the BBWAA ballot.
Rose applied for reinstatement in September 1997 and met with Selig in November 2002. His efforts to end his suspension appeared to falter after he admitted in his 2004 autobiography, Pete Rose: My Prison Without Bars, that his previous gambling denials were false.
"The matter remains on the commissioner's desk. He has given no indication that he's prepared to issue a formal decision," DuPuy said.
Rose's final season as a player was 1986, and the rules for the Hall's BBWAA ballot state that players must have been retired for at least five years but no more than 20 to be eligible for election.
He received nine write-in votes in 2005, his lowest total, and has been written in on 239 of 6,687 ballots (3.6 percent) over 14 years.
Jane Forbes Clark, the Hall's chairman, left open the possibility that the Hall would give a Rose a chance to appear on the writers' ballot if he ever regains reinstatement.
"I think that we would look at the situation if the commissioner changes the situation and the position of Major League Baseball," she said. "If something happens, we'll react to it."
In 1989, just after baseball's investigation began, Rose considered himself a shoo-in for the Hall.
"4,256 hits. 2,200 runs. That's all I did," he said. "I'm a Hall of Famer."
Now 64, Rose might never get in despite a career in which he became a 17-time All-Star and the 1973 NL MVP.
"It would be a great honor if I made the Hall of Fame," he said through Greene. "If it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't."
/Sarcasm off
Tough luck for Charley Hustle. But he and his teammates will always know that the 1975 World Series was the greatest ever.
/Resume usual sarcasm
He'll get in. Right after "Shoeless" Joe.
And Barry "*".
Good for Bud. Stand firm against this liar.
I'm sure the different people who purchased one of the multiple versions of "the actual bat he broke Ty Cobb's record with" are going to be so sad, as are the multiple owners of his one and only MVP ring.
Then how did Bill Mazeroski get inducted in 2001 when he retired in 1972?
I think you just answered the question I asked in post #7. Thanks. I guess I should have read down a little farther.
Hell he admitted that when he was investigated. The commish had the betting slips as evidence. Rose cut a deal to keep from being prosecuted, and now he wants to renege on it. Great hitter, POS person.
What's the big deal about getting in? You get a hat or something?
The guy gambled and is unapologetic. Even so, that doesn't take away from his abilities as a player. He was great in the same way that Jim Thorpe was great. They took his olympic medals because he earned some money over a summer playing baseball. He died and the medals were returned. Probably the same will happen with Pete Rose. In 2055, all these old farts will be up on stage teary-eyed saying Rose should have been inducted back in 2005, but better late than ever.
Actually, the headline is correct. A player can't be selected by the Veterans Commitee unless he's been retired for 21 years. So Rose's primary eligiblilty is about to expire, although in six years he will be eligible again.
That still won't help Charlie Hustler, though. From the Veterans Commitee rules:
6. (D) Any person designated by the Office of the Commissioner of Major League Baseball as ineligible shall not be an eligible candidate.
So there you have it.
Besides, I don't think Pete Rose should look to the Veterans Committee for his salvation, given that his own teammates from that Series (and Hall of Famers in their own right) have lobbied to keep him out. Nobody hates cheaters more than other ballplayers.
Ok, how about Shoeless Joe Jackson??
Works for me - I think he's getting every last thing he deserves. But since the Vet Comm isn't issued a ballot by the Commisioner's Office, they could always gather and propose to let in Pete in, and that would put whomever the Commish is in a pretty funny spot. But I agree with you - that ain't happening. Ha-ha Petey!!!
Game 6. Greatest game ever played.
People forget how close the Black Sox scandal came to destroying Major League Baseball. Baseball is the easiest game to fix. You can't have people questioning the credibility of the game.
Ok, how about Shoeless Joe Jackson??
Does anyone seriously sit around and say, "you know, ol Joe was an incredible player, BUT....he is not in the Hall of Fame." Come on.
Not everybody wins an oscar.
The people who thought they bought it didn't.
Veterans' Committee selection.
While a marginal selection, to be sure, Maz was one of the greatest defensive 2b of all time, and he had the single greatest moment in the history of baseball: his 9th-inning home run in Game 7 to win the 1960 Series against the heavily-favored and dominant Yankees.
Bud Selig is and always has been an idiot.
Rose, regardless of the whole gambling business, is a fan favorite.
The message that Selig and the MLB is sending is that drug use/abuse, alcoholism, violence, and criminal records are perfectly okay for HofF selectees. But don't gamble - it's BAD!!
Complete and utter nonsense.
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