Charles Darwin: Evolution of a Scientist [Newsweek's cover story]

Newsweek ^ | 28 November 2005 (mag's date) | Jerry Adler

[CarolinaGuitarman]

Actually two of your sources are from R Colp, who wrote about Darwin in the 1970's and 1980's. He was a physician and a psychiatrist. It's also noteworthy that the creationist story that Marx sent a copy of Das Capital to Darwin to get his permission to dedicate it to him is a myth. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA002_2.html

[andysandmikesmom]

It seems to me, that anyone can read a particular book, and then use parts of that book piecemeal and out of context, and apply those parts to ones already existing beliefs...Do we blame the Bible, for those Jack Chick tracts?...I should hope not...but Jack Chick himself, claims to use the Bible as his foundation for his beliefs...

So blaming Darwin for Marxs' ideas seems to be the same sort of illogical jump....

[Pharmboy]

Freud relevant today? Really? I think only to those who visit certain charlatan shrinks on West End Ave. between 72nd and 96th St. Otherwise it is deservedly considered non-scientific blatherings by a smart guy who could write well.

[AndrewC]

I didn't know Darwin performed surgery.

[LiteKeeper]

And your source "Talk Origins" is a rapid anti-creationist site. So, I am not convinced.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"No. Some control is necessary. Lest capitalists get physical payback for faulty products. Plus the word "ruthless" means something."

Control is for collectivists. There only need to be laws against the initiation of force. *Ruthless* is used by those who like their capitalism lite.

[LiteKeeper]

If you read direct quotes from Marx, and deny their validity, I guess you are right, the discussion is over. Continue the denial as much as you want.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"And your source "Talk Origins" is a rapid anti-creationist site. So, I am not convinced."

In other words, 'I won't listen to what you say so there!'

Nice comeback lol

Too bad the facts aren't on your side. Marx wasn't trying to get permission for a dedication for Das Capital. Deal with it.

[Rudder]

Actually the role of early experience upon adult personality is a useful and significant contribution Freud made to the current practice of psychotherapy. The scientific verification and value of which has been well-documented in the laboratory (e.g., see the work of Curt P. Richter) And I'm a hard-nosed therapist, not of the Park Ave Variety, who tells it like it is.

[AndrewC]

Control is for collectivists. There only need to be laws against the initiation of force. *Ruthless* is used by those who like their capitalism lite.

Society decides what laws are necessary, and if a faulty product used in the proper way results in injury to the user, some remedy is required. That requires control. "Ruthless" means ruthless.

[PatrickHenry]

Do your own research.

I do, unlike you. If you did your own research, rather than relying on dubious sources, you wouldn't post falsehoods as you did back in post 18, where you said: "Darwin influenced Das Kapital published in 1867 by Marx."

I've done an online search of Das Kapital. Darwin isn't in there, nor is there any reference to his work. There is nothing to back up your claim.

Darwin and Marx never met. Their only correspondence was when Marx wrote to Darwin and asked permission to dedicate Das Kapital to him. Darwin declined, saying he didn't know anything about the subject of Marx's book. That's the entire "relationship" between the two men. It's nothing at all. No personal relationship, and no intellectual connection. None. But that won't stop you from claiming otherwise, will it? And you won't retract your false information, will you?

"To each according to his need" isn't very Darwinian, is it? Do you understand what that last sentence means? Do you ever stop to think about the nonsense you post?

[andysandmikesmom]

As other posters more educated and versed than I have shown you, you are wrong about the link between Marx and Darwin... it seems to be a fantasy, your fantasy...I am not the one in denial, you are...

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Society decides what laws are necessary, and if a faulty product used in the proper way results in injury to the user, some remedy is required. That requires control."

I never said that contracts don't need to be enforced. Contracts are the foundation of law. I am talking about the idea that capitalism needs to be mixed with some kind of welfare state to mediate against the so-called *ruthless* aspects of it. This watered-down capitalism is a sellout of the principals of individual rights. That's what I am against.

[Pharmboy]

Sorry...but I believe it is navel-gazing by the self-obsessed that will not stand up to the rigors of randomized, double-blind controlled studies.

But, he could tell a story, and Moses and Montheism is not without its strengths.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Their only correspondence was when Marx wrote to Darwin and asked permission to dedicate Das Kapital to him. Darwin declined, saying he didn't know anything about the subject of Marx's book."

And that story doesn't appear to be true either.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA002_2.html

[Dimensio]

It's also noteworthy that the creationist story that Marx sent a copy of Das Capital to Darwin to get his permission to dedicate it to him is a myth.

Now this is interesting to discover...

[Dimensio]

Wonder how long it will be before a creationist spins that into "reports that Darwin declined Marx's offer of dedication are false".

[Pharmboy]

Freud was much more than "early experience;" he proposed infantile sexuality as the keystone of his "theory." Balderdash.

[PatrickHenry]

Interesting. So even that sliver of a "connection" between the two is false. Doesn't matter. The creationists will continue to make their false claims.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

Here's more:

http://www.gruts.com/darwin/articles/2000/marx/index.htm