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Historian Charged With Denying Holocaust (Austria)
Yahooooooooo! News ^ | 11/17/05 | AP

Posted on 11/17/2005 9:13:50 AM PST by oldleft

VIENNA, Austria - British historian David Irving was arrested last week in southern Austria on a warrant accusing him of denying the Holocaust, the Interior Ministry said Thursday. Irving was arrested Nov. 11 in Styria province, said police Maj. Rudolf Golia, an Interior Ministry spokesman. He was transferred to a prison in Graz.

Irving was detained on a warrant issued in 1989 under Austrian laws that make Holocaust denial a crime, Golia said. The accusation stemmed from speeches Irving delivered that year in Vienna and in the southern town of Leoben.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: austria; davidirving; denier; freespeech; holocaust; irving; jewish; nazi; pc; uk
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Ah, the freedom loving Europeans...
1 posted on 11/17/2005 9:13:52 AM PST by oldleft
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To: oldleft

I denied the Easter Bunny....are there any legal ramifications?


2 posted on 11/17/2005 9:16:36 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: oldleft

Dang.

That is dangerously close to "thought crime" territory.


3 posted on 11/17/2005 9:17:56 AM PST by Skooz (If you believe Adolf Hitler was a Christian, you are a blithering idiot.)
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To: oldleft
Ah, the freedom loving Europeans...

If you were to suddenly start getting mail about a free trip to Austria - I'd turn it down...it may be a sting.

4 posted on 11/17/2005 9:18:24 AM PST by Tennessee_Bob ("Those who "abjure" violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.")
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To: oldleft

Ain't Free Speech a wonderful thing? It's such a pity that the PC crowd have killed it.


5 posted on 11/17/2005 9:19:40 AM PST by expatpat
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To: Puppage

Are you saying that denial of the Holocaust and denial of the Easter Bunny are equal? That's disgusting.


6 posted on 11/17/2005 9:22:43 AM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: oldleft

I am just wondering, when did it start getting called the Holocaust? It was not during the event. I just had a personal question on when did it gets its name.


7 posted on 11/17/2005 9:24:34 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: Bella_Bru; Puppage
Are you saying that denial of the Holocaust and denial of the Easter Bunny are equal? That's disgusting.

Oh please, it's so obvious that that's not what was said that you're looking foolish.

8 posted on 11/17/2005 9:27:39 AM PST by MarineBrat (When it rains, New Orleans makes its own gravy.)
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To: oldleft

If you don't like the law, try and change it. Otherwise, observe it.


9 posted on 11/17/2005 9:27:47 AM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: edcoil

Holocaust; a Hebrew word (olah) meaning "burnt offering.
In the Septuagint version (translated Hebrew Bible into Greek during
the reign of Ptolemy II, 3rd century B.C.), the word, olah, is
consistently translated by the Greek word, holokauston, "an offering
consumed by fire."

I'm not sure when it was first used in specific reference to the genocide of WWII.


10 posted on 11/17/2005 9:29:40 AM PST by oldleft
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To: oldleft

you send YOUR kids to his history classes. societies are supposed to govern themselves. when they lose the moral clarity to distinguish between free speech and vicious hateful attempts to stir the coals of anti jewism or other such known viruses "do gooders" will intervene. in europe unlike the US the virus of anti jewism has reached epidemic proportions too many times resulting in multiple periods where people forget what humanity is. they are far more sensitive to this phenomenon.


11 posted on 11/17/2005 9:30:24 AM PST by APRPEH (DPP is A OK)
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To: Mi-kha-el
If you don't like the law, try and change it. Otherwise, observe it.

Why? Might not morality compel one to break an unjust law, and with a clear conscience?
12 posted on 11/17/2005 9:30:34 AM PST by BikerNYC (Modernman should not have been banned.)
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To: MarineBrat

How about some people directly or indirectly affected by the Nazi genocide of Jews may be a little sensitive about the subject.


13 posted on 11/17/2005 9:30:44 AM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: oldleft

that was rhetorical. i detect a similar background source.


14 posted on 11/17/2005 9:31:45 AM PST by APRPEH (DPP is A OK)
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To: oldleft

I'm not sure I'd want to live in a country where you can be arrested for making stupid statements. After all, I'd be risking prosecution.


15 posted on 11/17/2005 9:31:51 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: BikerNYC

OK, but then pay the consequences provided by the law. Exactly what happened in this case.


16 posted on 11/17/2005 9:32:40 AM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: APRPEH
By banning all speech which denies the Holocaust you kill open debate. When you kill open debate you fuel the flames of antisemitism. This guy and his ilk can now claim that the government is "covering up" the truth."

Political free speech should be an absolute.
17 posted on 11/17/2005 9:33:51 AM PST by oldleft
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To: MarineBrat

It was a question. It seems some people are a little sensitive to the disdain heaped on Holocaust deniers.


18 posted on 11/17/2005 9:34:48 AM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: oldleft
Agreed.

That being said, it is still amazing that anyone has the gall to take these positions and give ammunition to the Jihadists and other anti-semitics.

19 posted on 11/17/2005 9:35:59 AM PST by Paul Ross ("The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the govt and I'm here to help)
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To: Mi-kha-el
OK, but then pay the consequences provided by the law. Exactly what happened in this case.

So, since the legal system worked in Austria in this case, jailing a person for violating an unjust law, we should all just keep our mouths shut about it?
20 posted on 11/17/2005 9:36:22 AM PST by BikerNYC (Modernman should not have been banned.)
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