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Yale Law Secret Society
Autoadmit ^ | 11/15/05 | Sparse

Posted on 11/16/2005 11:28:36 AM PST by Caroll24

Date: November 16th, 2005 2:05 AM Author: sparse Subject: Yale law secret society

I'm a 2L at YLS and I'm completely fed up with something that I think very few people know about (or at least very few people talk about). Despite the treadmill promises, it becomes obvious after a short time here that there are more selections to be made: who gets in with Guido or Fiss, who knows the most people (helps when journal elections happen), who is going to run for office eventually, etc. This is endlessly frustrating, not to mention counter to everything this place claims to be about. But that's not the real problem. The real problem is that there is a secret society in the law school. It's easy to dismiss it as juvenile and elitist, but the problem is that it significantly affects one's time here. If you are in it, it makes it A LOT easier to get positions, recs, etc. This is particularly true of getting recommendations from profs who went to YLS (which is pretty endemic). What's strange is that some people know about it the second they get on campus, while others seem to go through the entire three years completely oblivious to its existence. It is probably less important (or at least less institutionally secure) than Skull and Bones, but it's the same sort of deal and it's ridiculous. Aren't people here adult enough to know how stupid this sort of thing is? Is it really worth it for some marginal increase in your job prospects?

I'm pretty sure it's a well-kept secret, though I would say it's quite easy to know who's in it if you ask around. Of course it tends to be the good looking students who are going to go into politics. This leads me to my final point. From what I understand you basically have to be liberal to get in. Despite its reputation, Yale actually has a pretty significant conservative population, and it's so preposterous that this group perpetuates the concentration of influence in the hands of the school's liberal wing.

Sorry for that rant. Do any other YLS students here know what I'm talking about? Also, does anyone know what it's actually called? I've heard it's something 'staple', but that name seems too idiotic to be true. I hope I get selected so i can destroy it from within.

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Date: November 16th, 2005 1:42 PM Author: Contractual Subject: Interesting Stuff

I'm a 1L at Yale (longtime lurker) and this kinda jives with something I heard a few months ago from a 3L. We were walking by Scroll and Key and I mentioned how it's surprising that Yale has so many secret societies for undergrads but none in the law school. He sneered at that comment, and when I asked him what was bothering him he said "just because you don't see a building doesn't mean there isn't one." He then suggested that there was a clique of individuals, all of them liberal, who get all the top awards and positions in the law school.

I was and still am skeptical (especially considering how it doesn't seem to fit the egalitarian, anti-elitism posture of YLS), but it is curious how so many accolades at the law school seem to be distributed over a very small set of persons (as was evidence in the e-mail sent out announcing the previous year's awards) and all of them seem to track to the left. ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: law; secret; society; turnpagepaper; turnpaper; yale
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I found this on a law school admissions website and found it pretty scary. The ensuing thread makes it pretty clear that this is for real. I have a problem with secret societies to begin with, but the fact that this one purposefully excludes conservative students seems so telling.
1 posted on 11/16/2005 11:28:37 AM PST by Caroll24
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To: Caroll24
Hey! I heard Al Franken, aka Stuart Smalley on AirAmerica up there talking to the Law School Dean and another Dean of Environmental something regarding US torture and global warming generated hurricanes.

Did you attend or what did you hear about this?

2 posted on 11/16/2005 11:33:54 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Caroll24

Worth a turn paper, IMO.


3 posted on 11/16/2005 11:34:08 AM PST by Shermy
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To: Caroll24

Welcome to FR. Now that you've posted about it, it's not a secret anymore. Mission Accomplished. Congratulations.


4 posted on 11/16/2005 11:35:09 AM PST by VRWCmember (hard-core, politically angry, hyperconservative, and loaded with vitriol about everything liberal.)
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To: Shermy

How long before the mods pull this thread in accordance with the non-disclosure agreements they have with all the secret societies out there?


5 posted on 11/16/2005 11:36:26 AM PST by VRWCmember (hard-core, politically angry, hyperconservative, and loaded with vitriol about everything liberal.)
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To: Caroll24

Nice paper. Do you know the secret handshake?


6 posted on 11/16/2005 11:38:13 AM PST by theDentist (The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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Could be fake, a false conversation created by the newbie.


7 posted on 11/16/2005 11:40:22 AM PST by Shermy
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To: Caroll24

Welcome to Free Republic!


8 posted on 11/16/2005 11:40:36 AM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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To: Caroll24
Don't expect too many intelligent or reasoned replies to this.
9 posted on 11/16/2005 11:40:59 AM PST by cynicom
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To: Caroll24; Tijeras_Slim; EggsAckley; Constitution Day

10 posted on 11/16/2005 11:41:05 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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Start your own Conservative Secret Society.


11 posted on 11/16/2005 11:41:44 AM PST by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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To: Caroll24

Sounds like "Protocols of the Elders of New Haven".


12 posted on 11/16/2005 11:42:32 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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Hmmmm, I wonder...?

[Makes a double turn of the thumb and forefinger of the left hand, down at pocket level, almost as a nervous tic...and looks to see if interlocutor has same "nervous tic"]
[He doesn't.]

Nah, those "secret society" things are just student paranoia.


13 posted on 11/16/2005 11:47:10 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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I'm in a secret society at UH Law. It is comprised of chronic underachievers and all-around subpar students. We have a monopoly on not getting good jobs. We have our meetings in the parking lot, and someone has to bring Twinkies.

Some go their entire academic careers without hearing about us. We call these lost souls "Good Students." Those who do know us of live in constant fear of joining our ranks.


14 posted on 11/16/2005 11:50:33 AM PST by Cyclopean Squid (Leftism is Civilizational Masochism)
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Welcome to Free Republic!

You have just joined the ultimate secret society.

15 posted on 11/16/2005 11:51:03 AM PST by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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Are they affiliated with the Skull & Boners?


16 posted on 11/16/2005 11:55:16 AM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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That's absolutely untrue...UH Law has a good program, which many a graduate has obtained a good job...now pass a twinkie, and quit parking in my space.


17 posted on 11/16/2005 11:57:51 AM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis.")
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I don't see any evidence suggesting that there is any sort of organized "secret society" at Yale Law. Sounds more like an informal network of people who share the same views as the majority of professors (i.e. left-leaning), and therefore get the best grades, and hence get on law review/journals, and get the best recommendations from profs. In case you haven't noticed, this is the case at virtually every U.S. post-secondary institution. If you don't toe the PC line, you'll be frozen out of the left-leaning power structure. They don't NEED a "secret society" to accomplish this, and if they do in fact have one, I doubt it provides any advantage beyond what the obviously present informal leftist network provides.


18 posted on 11/16/2005 11:57:54 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: in hoc signo vinces

Oh, I know UH has a good program, even if the building is hideous. But there are, in fact, some bad students, of which I am one. I have no doubt that those who do well will secure great positions. I may have to end up as the next "Are you hurt? Call me today!" type of lawyers.


19 posted on 11/16/2005 12:00:12 PM PST by Cyclopean Squid (Leftism is Civilizational Masochism)
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To: Caroll24

dont let it frustrate you....excellence is its own benchmark

20 posted on 11/16/2005 12:03:10 PM PST by Revelation 911
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