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To: Mr Ramsbotham
Scientific theories are usually incomplete or inaccurate.

I am pretty sure that Kurt Godel proved that any self-referencing logical system (including scientific theories about the universe) is either incomplete or inaccurate. In other words, one can't use words, or any other system of symbols to describe the unknowable parts.

My problem with the intelligent design crowd is that they are not giving God enough credit. They think that just because they can't understand how He did it, He couldn't have done it the way he says He did in the first few verses of Genisis.

21 posted on 11/13/2005 7:34:54 AM PST by SubMareener (Become a monthly donor! Free FreeRepublic.com from Quarterly FReepathons!)
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To: SubMareener
My problem with the intelligent design crowd is that they are not giving God enough credit. They think that just because they can't understand how He did it, He couldn't have done it the way he says He did in the first few verses of Genisis.

That's my take too. And I think the reason modern believers do this is that they must have the Bible as an absolute authority, and to do so they must believe in the literal accuracy of everything contained in it. Leads to some interesting contradictions.

22 posted on 11/13/2005 7:40:06 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: SubMareener
I am pretty sure that Kurt Godel proved that any self-referencing logical system (including scientific theories about the universe) is either incomplete or inaccurate. In other words, one can't use words, or any other system of symbols to describe the unknowable parts.

Bingo!

My problem with the intelligent design crowd is that they are not giving God enough credit. They think that just because they can't understand how He did it, He couldn't have done it the way he says He did in the first few verses of Genisis. IMO God described the process of creation in a way suitable for the audience at the time, a early agricurtural society. If God described quantum mechaics to those folks it would have been gibberish to them. God gives us the previlege of learning about and gaining an understanding of His creation. God bringing the universe into existanence and setting the rules to allow it to unfold this way is very elegant, as opposed to bludegoning the world into existanence in 8 days.

I'm guessing that time is not a corcern for God 8 days, 15 billion years, NBD to God.

30 posted on 11/13/2005 8:00:17 AM PST by Leto
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To: SubMareener
I am pretty sure that Kurt Godel proved that any self-referencing logical system (including scientific theories about the universe) is either incomplete or inaccurate.

Strictly speaking, he showed incompleteness or inconsistency for any theory that includes arithmetic and that only when you are limited to certain methods of proof. IIRC arithmetic was later proven correct using transfinite induction.

120 posted on 11/13/2005 9:37:36 AM PST by edsheppa
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