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A Mutual Suspicion Grows in Denmark (Muslims vs. Danes)
LA Times ^ | 11/12/2005 | Jeffrey Fleishman

Posted on 11/12/2005 7:12:19 AM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

COPENHAGEN — Right-wing politicians consider Omar Marzouk a menace. Muslims accuse him of blasphemy for pasting Osama bin Laden's image onto women's underwear. The "only ethnic comedian" in Denmark, as he likes to call himself, Marzouk provokes all sides but senses that audiences are increasingly touchy these days.

"Society is more radical," he says, sitting in a cafe in an autumn dusk. "You have the Al Qaeda movement preaching that Muslims can't exist in Western culture. And in this country you have the Danish People's Party telling Muslims, 'You're different and we can only accept you if you're a Dane.' These voices are actually pulling the same way: toward radicalism."

Hate screeds are rattling against this Scandinavian nation's aura of serenity. A Muslim publisher with suspected ties to the Al Qaeda terrorist network was recently jailed for allegedly inciting jihad and distributing videotapes of beheadings. A right-wing radio host reacted by saying that Muslims should be expelled from Western Europe, "or you exterminate the fanatical Muslims, which would mean killing a substantial population of Muslim immigrants."

Such incendiary cases, although exceptional in Denmark, raise fears that if Muslim integration can't succeed in the most liberal of Western nations, it might not be able to flourish in more conservative ones.

With cars burning across France and Islamic radicals going underground in Britain, Europe is reeling from the anger of Muslim communities that for decades have existed as parallel universes. Terrorist bombings and riots have sparked fears on the continent and raised questions about its hallowed ideal of cultural tolerance. Muslims complain that tensions over terrorism have turned them into convenient symbols for conservative politicians pushing anti-immigration policies.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: denmark; europeanmuslims
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
We neither want to assimilate nor isolate. We want to keep our identity and carry our message of Islam to others.

World dominion through immigration.

2 posted on 11/12/2005 7:14:10 AM PST by MarMema
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
How do you say "inquisition" in Danish?

If muslims do not want to join the rest of Danish society the alternative will be the proverbial man on a horse option (i.e. fascism) to do it by force. Last time this happened in Europe, 20 million people lost their lives.

The Europeans are in a pickle wouldn't you say?

3 posted on 11/12/2005 7:17:59 AM PST by bubman
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

Dear Abdul Latif, can I carry my message of Christianity to others in any Muslim country? Why should the native Christian population in Europe expect to have any more rights when the Muslims become the majority than Christians have in any majority Muslim country today?


4 posted on 11/12/2005 7:18:19 AM PST by Petrosius
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

Please don't use your comments to post more than the excerpted amount allowed. Thanks.


5 posted on 11/12/2005 7:18:22 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator
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To: MarMema

Why is it that the Muslims remind me of the Borg.

"You will be assimilated"


6 posted on 11/12/2005 7:21:31 AM PST by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: bubman
The Europeans are in a pickle wouldn't you say?

Yes, but at least they can pride themselves that they aren't like those Dirty Americans while their cities, culture and civilization burn around them.

7 posted on 11/12/2005 7:24:20 AM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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To: bubman

"If muslims do not want to join the rest of Danish society the alternative will be the proverbial man on a horse option (i.e. fascism) to do it by force. Last time this happened in Europe, 20 million people lost their lives."

It appears that Islamic expansion through western Europe through jihaad is an intractable fact. And as you point out, Europeans have been known to play the fascist card. It's not a long walk from left wing socialism to right wing socialism.

Let's hope that future U.S. federal governments choose to isolate the UN far more than we are know, and let the Euros sort this out for themselves.


8 posted on 11/12/2005 7:31:18 AM PST by Frank T
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To: MarMema

To Islam - Just Say NO!


9 posted on 11/12/2005 7:31:37 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: MarMema
"I tell many Muslims, 'Europe is sensitive today.' It won't tolerate any act of terror. It is fed up."

Translation, 'bide your time'.

10 posted on 11/12/2005 7:33:11 AM PST by kanawa
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To: bubman

Muslims do not want to join ANY society. They only want society to join them. When they say "religion of peace," what they mean is "peace only under Islam."


11 posted on 11/12/2005 7:33:59 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Petrosius
Dear Abdul Latif, can I carry my message of Christianity to others in any Muslim country?

Dear Petrosius, you infidel, no, your Christianity is an inferior religion and you will not spread it an Muslim countries. We will exterminate, convert, or subdue you, dhimmis.

Yours in Allah, Abdul

12 posted on 11/12/2005 7:34:01 AM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: MarMema

Sorry, I have no interest in being a Muslim. Let me repeat that: sorry, I have no interest in being a Muslim. And one of the things I like about this country is that I am not required to follow someone's religious precepts. And if Muslims don't like that, I strongly suggest they try another country, instead of screwing up this one.


13 posted on 11/12/2005 7:39:53 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: MarMema

If these people did not want to assimilate into Western Society, why did they leave their motherland? They were'nt asked to come into Christian countries. They should have stayed where they were, if that's they way they want to live.


14 posted on 11/12/2005 7:44:06 AM PST by tillacum
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To: randog
Yeah I agree. The only good this debate brings out is the crystallization to many european minds that there are no nuanced arguements or shades of moral relativism. The choices are stark. The inevitable conclusion of Utopian socialisms practiced by Europeans in general has cultivated (by their indifference and hypocracy) a society of hate and violence in their midst. Since the ascent of national socialism (fascism) in the twenties & thirties has Europe come face to face with the reality of another barbaric movement known as Islamic fascism. Europeans are waking up (I hope they are) and are realizing that the enemy is among them.

Anti-Americanism may be chic and popular at wine & cheeses or intellectual get-togethers among white secular europeans. (and America!)That's because Americans won't kill you in the middle of the street for hating their country or insulting their christian faith. Hating America is an easy intellectual position (if you can call it that) because there won't be a rebuttal. Hating Islamic Jihadists on the other hand will result in your death. Michael Moore and all those limousine Libs will bash their country first because it is the safest intellectual position one can take. (If one's own physical state is the only thing you care to protect) There is no bravery in bashing America but there is in donning a uniform and fighting Islamic fascists in Iraq.

God bless the men & women in Uniform

15 posted on 11/12/2005 7:44:18 AM PST by bubman
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To: tillacum
They were'nt asked to come into Christian countries.

I believe they ARE asked to GO to Christian countries by their leaders so they can get a large enough population so they can start taking over as they have done in other places.

16 posted on 11/12/2005 7:47:38 AM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Frank T
Yup, this is a European mess. Let them deal with it. I would rather Americans fighting (and unfortunately dying)to liberate muslim countries that are under tyranny than to save Europeans who succumbed to Islamic fascism because they didn't have the wherewithal to stand up and fight when they had a chance.

It is time for the Europeans to get out of the cafe's and discos and deal with this mess.

17 posted on 11/12/2005 7:48:23 AM PST by bubman
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To: MarMema
(from the article)...

"I believe integrating a large number of Muslims can't be done. It's an illusion," said Martin Henriksen, a 25-year-old legislator for the People's Party. "They don't have the desire to blend in with other people. We've been a Christian country for 1,000 years and we are the oldest monarchy in the world. I want to get married and have a lot of kids who can walk around in a society not influenced by Muslims."

Mogens Camre, a member of the Danish People's Party and the European Parliament, said last year. "Islam is threatening our future…. That faith belongs to a dark past, and its political aims are as destructive as Nazism was."

I see there are a few clear-eyed Danes who see the looming threat and don't like it.

18 posted on 11/12/2005 7:51:14 AM PST by Gritty ("Leftist metamorphosis of Islamists from fascists to victims of the West is underway - VD Hanson)
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To: MarMema
The scary thing is that if the islamists actually DO tone it down to 'the normal number of cars..." Europe in general will breath a deep sigh and go right back to where it was going before this started.

And they will be just as unprepared and just as lame the next time it comes around, and the next.

19 posted on 11/12/2005 7:57:04 AM PST by norton (it IS about the CIA and it IS about CYA...)
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To: Gritty

Mogens gets it.


20 posted on 11/12/2005 8:04:20 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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