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To: vimto

"In the UK we are being told that Bair's policy in Iraq is fueling Muslim alienation - but in France ( vigorously opposed to the war) is up in flames. Don't get me worng - we could well be next, but the point is they speak with forked tongue - using any argument to get what they want."

If you look into the events in France you'll find that there are many factors causing the unrest there, most of them not international or religion-based.


12 posted on 11/12/2005 5:08:23 AM PST by Canard
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To: Canard

While there are no doubt many factors in what's happening in France, many would have us completely ignore the Islamic component. This would be incredibly foolish.


20 posted on 11/12/2005 5:28:34 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Canard
I have no doubt you are right, but the issue is the various excuses for Islamic rage. No-one really knows what it is, other than a bottom line hatred for the west and it's perceived Christian culture. There is injustice in the world but it does not excuse this anarchy.
26 posted on 11/12/2005 6:02:01 AM PST by vimto (Life isn't a dry run)
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To: Canard
If you look into the events in France Israel you'll find that there are many factors causing the unrest there, most of them not international or religion-based

There. Fixed it.

The real point which needs to be made is...

"Islam has bloody borders" - Samuel P. Huntingon

33 posted on 11/12/2005 6:44:27 AM PST by Gritty ("Leftist metamorphosis of Islamists from fascists to victims of the West is underway - VD Hanson)
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To: Canard

You know, itellectually you are correct, however, at a certain point you just have to accept what the data says.

Muslims kill here, Muslims kill there, Muslims riot at this location, blow up their officers at that location.

After a while blaming the environment is hollow.

One fundemental cause of the French problem is MUSLIMS not wanting to adapt themselves and join the local culture of the country to which they have CHOSEN to emmigrate. (Note the significant difference with American Blacks). They are there by CHOICE. If they don't like France, they should CHOOSE TO LEAVE - not blame the French.

Sooner or later you have to accept that the unifying issue is that MUSLIMS are causing problems globally. If they are in France because their home countries are disgusting - that is again a MUSLIM problem.

Sooner or later you need to accept the obvious, and not over analyze.


34 posted on 11/12/2005 7:22:31 AM PST by Mr. Rational (God gave me a brain and expects me to use it)
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