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Posted on 11/07/2005 2:22:29 PM PST by Ellesu
When she noticed the human waste on the floor of the trendy women's shoe boutique she manages, Lindsay Foret suspected looters had soiled the store out of spite.
"I was like, 'This is horrible. There's brand new bathrooms and they couldn't even go there?"' Foret said. "I went back to the bathrooms and they were perfectly fine."
As she spoke to fellow merchants along trendy Magazine Street, on the edge of the Garden District, Foret quickly learned she wasn't the only one who found such unseemly messes while trying to reopen a looted store.
Around the city, merchants returning after Hurricane Katrina who expected their worst problems to include storm damage or stolen merchandise have found numerous examples of vandalism, some of it vile, that apparently was meant to upset store owners.
"I can confirm some stores were vandalized -- and soiled, to some degree," city police Capt. Marlon Defillo said. He was not sure if it was widespread and said he could not comment on motives, but he suggested a lack of running water may have been a factor at times.
Sociologists say it may speak to the anger of a disenfranchised segment of the population and how -- at least during the chaos that ensued shortly after the storm -- they reveled in ruling certain places they may have previously perceived as snobby or out of reach.
"It is asserting a kind of power," Tulane sociology professor Martha K. Huggins said. "People who have their house broken into often say they feel violated, and defecating on the floor is the ultimate way to violate somebody.
"People who've been marginalized and excluded from the economic system and social system and don't feel they have any stake, it's not surprising that some are going to behave in a way that shows they have absolutely no respect for and no stake in the system," she added.
Human feces was found in a number of stores around town, from the independently owned shops uptown to the chain stores at the upscale Canal Place shopping mall downtown.
"I was like, 'These animals,"' said Jack Sutton, who owns a fine jewelry store that was looted inside the Canal Place mall.
Sutton found his store had display cases smashed and broken well beyond what was necessary to steal the goods inside. Looters overturned furniture and dumped out boxes of files. They even drank champagne he kept in a small refrigerator, as if to celebrate. He did not find human waste in his store but saw it in several others in the mall.
"There definitely were toilets around," Sutton said.
Myron Goldberg, owner of M. Goldberg menswear store in uptown New Orleans, said those who broke into his store smashed open a gum ball machine and ground gum into recently refinished hardwood floors. "We had to get the wood floors redone," he said.
(Sociologists say it may speak to the anger of a disenfranchised segment of the population)
The only thing Sociologists and other -ists can do is rationalize and excuse abhorent behavior. This type of behavior will not stop until the population says: this is not acceptable and we will not put up with this crap (pun intended). We should also condemn their enablers such as those sociologists.
No, but another service stationed in a camp in Al Anbar regularly used the shower for a commode. That stopped after their senior NCO's were given scrub brushes and mops.
You don't have to believe me, but I was there.
Maybe...
I buy into it with a twist. These people are marginalized because there is no other way for them to be. They are excluded from the economic system because they can't produce anything. And the social system because they don't have manners. The problem I have is our education system no longer kicks ass. We need to bring back school master and give him a whip and the freedom to use it from Kindergarten through 12th grade. No more ebonics, no more broken English. No more slacking. We will beat it into them how to be civilized. We will beat education into them. They will know the three R's at a minimum. Only then, will you see the underclass diminish rather than grow. But perhaps this post is redundant because I am describing tough love that you mentioned. We beat you because we love you, now sit down, shut up, and open your books.
Not to say soldiers don't do stupid stuff now and again but it would be a very, very isolated event.
In the military somebody is in charge of everything. If one branch starts to have problems with another things tend to get placed off limits quickly.
At the very least some Senior NCO (Sergeant Major type) is going to have a few First Sergeants in for a chat. Shortly thereafter, as everybody knows, shit will roll downhill very quickly to the privates.
If the troops have enough time to come up with stuff like that then they will find other things to occupy their time. Lower ranks do not like to have their limited free time messed with and will police themselves very quickly.
The story may pass into unit legend but it sure will not be repeated.
"Marginalized?" "Disenfranchised?"
I don't know which is worse...the crap on the floor or the crap coming out of these "experts" mouths.
No where in that statement or in the article did I see race mentioned until you brought it up.
There are plenty of people of all races who are poor. Marginalized? I am not even sure that word has a meaning except for lib types.
"Sociologists say it may speak to the anger of a disenfranchised segment of the population"
Well, no.
For really smart people with really fancy degrees, sociologists can sometimes be really ignorant.
"Disenfranchised" is a word with a specific meaning. Its meaning is NOT "The MAN got me down" or "I'm poor, therefore I can be excused my lack of civility" or any analog thereof. It means "Denied the franchise (the vote), or any sundry trappings of citizenship".
Exactly how someone can be excused from a breach of conduct and law this egregious by the flutterings of soft-curricula PhD's is beyond me.
The animals do that even without a riot or a hurricane
This statement figures. Politically correct language including the popular buzz words with excuses following. Disgusting and I don't care if the people are poor. The people with the businesses took a gamble that these idiots did not want to take--so that is a reason to 'get even'?
My dog was marginalized and excluded from the economic system and social system until I hit across his nose a few times.
There is NO excuse for this kind of filth going on. It speaks volumes about the ones that would do something like this to other peoples property. And it confirms what most of us civilized people already know anyway.
Is she explaining this, or justifying it?
What a crock of sh'iite. They are "marginalized and excluded" because they want it that way.
Seems the locals in New Orleans are just about as uncivilized as the Islamic whackos in Europe.
Take a look at the pics on my profile...I have two Ferman Shepherds....They're freat dofs, but they require a lot of frooming!!
Human Garbage, okay. Animals, no. We have a cat who uses her kitty litter box and covers up afterwards in a very neat and tidy manner. She has never, ever gone any place except the litter box. I'd say she is far superior to the humans who performed these disgusting acts in New Orleans.
Human Garbage, okay. Animals, no. We have a cat who uses her kitty litter box and covers up afterwards in a very neat and tidy manner. She has never, ever gone any place except the litter box. I'd say she is far superior to the humans who performed these disgusting acts in New Orleans.
Good looking dofs!
I have a picture of my frandson on my "about" page.
(He requires a lot of frooming too)
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