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To: Oztrich Boy
" But then it is not possible to determine if any animal or human has a soul"

Thats correct. However what makes a human a human is clearly not the bones. It has to do with the way his brain is wired, and you won't be able to they'll that from fossils.
41 posted on 11/07/2005 9:25:37 AM PST by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: babygene

they'll=tell


43 posted on 11/07/2005 9:27:48 AM PST by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: babygene; Oztrich Boy
Thats correct. However what makes a human a human is clearly not the bones.

So it's impossible to tell if any given skeleton came from a human or not? Fascinating. You'd better inform the forensics examiners, according to you they're jumping to unsupportable conclusions on a daily basis.

I know what you're trying to say, but the fact remains that bones *can* and do reveal whether they came from a human -- or the degree to which they came from something similar to a human and/or other kind of ape.

It has to do with the way his brain is wired,

So Terri Shiavo, whose brain was no longer wired like the rest of us, was no longer human?

I think your thesis needs work.

And since you seem to be under the impression that differences in the brain are the "biggest" difference between humans and the other apes (we're still technically apes, by the way, just apes of the human variety), check out this portion of a previous post of mine:

Here are the "most diverged" genes between humans and chimps:

Location (human) Cluster Median KA/KI*

*Maximum median KA/KI if the cluster stretched over more than one window of ten genes.

1q21 Epidermal differentiation complex 1.46
6p22 Olfactory receptors and HLA-A 0.96
20p11 Cystatins 0.94
19q13 Pregnancy-specific glycoproteins 0.94
17q21 Hair keratins and keratin-associated proteins 0.93
19q13 CD33-related Siglecs 0.90
20q13 WAP domain protease inhibitors 0.90
22q11 Immunoglobulin-lambda/breakpoint critical region 0.85
12p13 Taste receptors, type 2 0.81
17q12 Chemokine (C-C motif) ligands 0.81
19q13 Leukocyte-associated immunoglobulin-like receptors 0.80
5q31 Protocadherin-beta 0.77
1q32 Complement component 4-binding proteins 0.76
21q22 Keratin-associated proteins and uncharacterized ORFs 0.76
1q23 CD1 antigens 0.72
4q13 Chemokine (C-X-C motif) ligands 0.70
Bad news for the folks who presume that brain differences are going to be the biggest genetic differences between humans and chimps: Unless I'm missing something I don't see any brain-related genes on the top 16 most-changed genes, but instead we find a lot of genes relating to hair/skin/nails, smell/taste, and the immune system. Fascinating. And that's not just an evolution-based finding -- even if some unspecified "designer" built those genomes, he/she/it still found the need to craft larger differences in the genes which regulate hair/skin/nails and so on than the ones which directly regulate brain developement and activity.

and you won't be able to they'll that from fossils.

Why would they need to? Be specific.

61 posted on 11/07/2005 9:54:47 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: babygene
"Thats correct. However what makes a human a human is clearly not the bones. It has to do with the way his brain is wired, and you won't be able to they'll that from fossils.

But we can tell from the fossils and the genome the sequence of ancestors of the human body, and its closest relatives, soul or not.

110 posted on 11/07/2005 10:46:39 AM PST by b_sharp (Please visit, read, and understand PatrickHenry's List-O-Links.)
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