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To: Pharmboy
Add to the majority of abortion supporters are horn dog males between 15 and 35.

Imagine that?

I hesitate to call men who screw without conscious "men", because they are a disgrace.

On the other side of the spectrum, if the courts wish to rule that fathers who want their children to be born have no say whether they can be murdered or not under any circumstances, then the courts must rule that fathers have no obligation to provide child support under any circumstances.

Sound like lunacy? You bet. The courts are out of control.

2 posted on 11/06/2005 3:59:26 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
Hmmm...I had never made the connection to child support. Excellent point.

But, then again, logic never enters the liberal mind.

4 posted on 11/06/2005 4:04:37 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: SkyPilot
"If the courts wish to rule that fathers who want their children to be born have no say whether they can be murdered or not under any circumstances, then the courts must rule that fathers have no obligation to provide child support under any circumstances."

Actually, the courts have already ruled that there is no such thing as a "father". If a fetus is not legally a human being from the time of conception, it is just a mass of tissue during this time. How can a mass of tissue possess a "father" when it doesn't even legally possess a right to life itself? How can something have a "father", then not have a "father", then have a "father" again? In today's legal world, fatherhood does not exist at all.

17 posted on 11/06/2005 9:17:40 AM PST by Uncle Sham
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To: SkyPilot

"Reproductive Rights" is one of those public issues where the inequality between the sexes is rarely discussed.

Reproductive rights does not exist as a legal concept for men, and men are regularly told that they have responsibilities and not rights. A man has no "reproductive rights" that a woman is bound to respect, whether in nor out of marriage, to keep the baby or not. The only right that men have is to keep their pants zipped up, as the course of their lives and their hope for posterity is entirely dependent on the woman's "choice".

I remember hearing a feminazi screeching about how vital "reproductive rights " were for all human beings, insofar as their ability to determine the course of their lives is concerned. It got me to wondering how it is that no comparable "reproductive right" exists for men other than the right to keep your trousers zipped up. A man's income can involuntarily be confiscated to care for children that he does not want, affecting the course of his life. Under the law, he is utterly responsible to support any children with his DNA, and often even for those without it. In many states, women are allowed to ABANDON newborn children that they do not want at hospitals or firehouses, no questions asked. Men don't even have any "reproductive rights" in marriage, because his wife retains her "reproductive rights" if she "chooses" to exercise them.

I don't think either sex should have these "reproductive rights", and should deal with the concequences of a pregnancy, wanted or not. But if as the feminazi says, these rights are vital to human beings, than I wish to suggest the following remedies. An unmarried man, upon being promptly notified of an unwanted pregnacy by his mate, should have the option of a paternal veto (abortion) absolving him of financial and legal responsibility for the child. A married man who discovers that his wife has had an abortion against his wishes should recieve presumptive grounds for a divorce or annullment of the marriage, with the same holding true for one who concieves against his wishes.

Than again maybe the feminazi thinks that men shouldn't qualify for "reproductive rights" since she probably thinks men aren't human anyway.

My point is that men have no "reproductive right" that is INDEPENDENT of a woman's choice, wheras women have options that can be and are exercised independently of a man's wishes. Note that this feminine reproductive veto extends to nullification of the man's wishes whether the man wants the child or not, whether in or out of marriage. While I am acutely aware that this is in large part due to the uniqueness of the reproductive process, this nevertheless leaves the man without any independent ability to influence the woman legally.

I am not even necessarily saying that this is a bad thing, but I do find it curious that we often behave as though the only party affected by the birth of a child is the woman, and to prevent a negative influence on the course of her life we must preserve her right to kill her unborn child. If unmarried, she can "choose" to keep the child and can enlist the support of the state to forcibly take money from the sperm donor against his will. And if he wants the child, then he must yield to her choice to abort.

The common response to the man is that you should have been more careful in your choice of partner, or you should have kept your trousers zipped up. Legally he is told that he has no option other than the one that the woman "chooses" to give him.

Again, I think that BOTH parties should allow a normal pregnancy to take it's course, and come to a mutually agreed upon resolution. But if we insist upon a regime where a "reproductive right" is allowed for only half of the human race, than I think that men should have some LEGAL option to influence the woman's "choice" in either direction, rather than act as though this isn't a significant life altering event for them as well. The one option that I would absolutely forbid, of course is a forced abortion. Consider paternal veto for unmarried men or presumptive divorce grounds for a married man whose wife "chooses" against his wishes.

Having said all this, I do think it unlikely to happen. Men are legally held to the strictest of standard of responsibility where conception is concerned.


18 posted on 11/06/2005 7:44:30 PM PST by DMZFrank
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