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In Paris suburbs, anger won't cool
International Herald Tribune ^ | NOVEMBER 4, 2005 | Katrin Bennhold

Posted on 11/03/2005 9:40:34 PM PST by ncountylee

CLICHY-SOUS-BOIS, France Talk to people outside the Bilal mosque in this rundown suburb north of Paris and they will tell you what has gone wrong: why rioters for the past week have confronted the police in overnight bursts of anger in the streets, torching cars, hurling rocks and even firing bullets in the worst civil disobedience in France in more than a decade.

Beyond the poverty and despair of life in the shoddy immigrant communities ringing the shining French capital, local Muslims say, there is no one left with any sway over the rioting youths. Parents, the police and the government have all lost touch, they say.

On Thursday, after rioters disregarded an appeal for calm by President Jacques Chirac, firing bullets at the police for the first time as the rioting spread for a seventh consecutive night, the government held emergency meetings throughout the day. But despite Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin's vow that "law and order will have the last word," the police were bracing for more violence as night fell.

In Clichy-sous-Bois on Thursday afternoon, outside the entrance of the Bilal mosque - a converted warehouse where a tear-gas grenade landed on Sunday, stoking fury against the police - celebrations of the end of the monthlong Ramadan fast were overshadowed by the widening disturbances.

Opinions about the riots among people gathered at the mosque differed, but everyone from the deputy imam to local council workers and men leaving the midday prayer agreed that the trouble has been compounded by a vacuum of moral authority.

"If you want authority over these kids you need their respect - but all the normal channels of authority lost their respect a long time ago," said Ali Aouad, 42, who has lived in this northeastern town for two decades. "They feel neglected

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: france; muslim; nomoralauthority; parisriots; religionofpeace
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1 posted on 11/03/2005 9:40:35 PM PST by ncountylee
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To: ncountylee

More apologists have surfaced than arrests have been made.


2 posted on 11/03/2005 9:43:04 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: ncountylee

"If you want authority over these kids you need their respect - "

Troops + curfew + shoot to kill orders = immediate respect


3 posted on 11/03/2005 9:44:00 PM PST by Dreagon
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To: ncountylee
"They feel neglected"

Memo the the French Police:

Don't neglect to put two in the chest of any rioter. Mon Dioux.....

L

4 posted on 11/03/2005 9:44:16 PM PST by Lurker (If you don't want an Originalist nominated to the SCOTUS, I don't give a damn what you think.)
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To: Lurker

I prefer upstairs, downstairs.


5 posted on 11/03/2005 9:45:41 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: ncountylee

Identification of the participants and the elimination of their housing and welfare checks would go a long way to stopping this crap in the long run.


6 posted on 11/03/2005 9:46:39 PM PST by 308MBR (The cornbread will be no better than the lard.)
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To: Dreagon; Chgogal; neverdem; Baynative; Grampa Dave

France to Let Rioters Govern Themselves

After seven nights of riots by youth in predominantly-Muslim sections of Paris, French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin (who is a man) announced today that police would pull out of areas where dozens of cars burn each night to “let the freedom-fighting insurgents govern themselves.”

“Just like the United States should not force democracy upon Muslims in Iraq,” said Mr. de Villepin, “we should not impose our own provincial thinking about the so-called ‘rule of law’ on Muslim immigrants who have established a homeland in Paris.

We’re withdrawing our occupation forces immediately.”



http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1515181/posts


7 posted on 11/03/2005 9:46:46 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: ncountylee

The French government has given tacit approval to let this continue.

The thugs have already won.


8 posted on 11/03/2005 9:47:06 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Conservatives are from earth. Liberals are from Uranus.)
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To: ncountylee
They feel neglected

So why don't they go back home again where they'll feel wanted?

9 posted on 11/03/2005 9:49:17 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What, me worry?)
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To: ncountylee

Loss of moral authority? Cry me a river. These idiots don't need an excuse to riot. They just need a venue. That "the religion of peace" is spreading its filth and waging its war in France is almost as amusing as it is ironic. No doubt Bush will soon be blamed just before we are asked to once again bail France's ass out of the fire. In the meantime, let the muslims burn down their own neighborhoods. If the war on terror must shift to the Paris suburbs, our job will be that much easier if most of the country has already been reduced to ash.


10 posted on 11/03/2005 9:51:03 PM PST by Rokke
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To: TASMANIANRED

In the 50's the French fought the arabs bravely and well, today they are afraid of the solution - body count.


11 posted on 11/03/2005 9:51:22 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Lurker

Wah Wah........"they feel neglected" ?? Give me a break.

Then they can go back to their home country. If they don't try to fit in with those in their community, get jobs, and acclimate......they should be sent home.

Sheesh.


12 posted on 11/03/2005 9:52:24 PM PST by Shortstop7
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To: ncountylee

2nd night they should have declared martial law and started shooting the violaters.

There might have been a 3rd night but not a 4th.


13 posted on 11/03/2005 9:54:07 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Conservatives are from earth. Liberals are from Uranus.)
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To: george76

Are you kidding me? This has to be a joke? They are pulling out, and in the same sentence blaming the United States?

Ah, in thinking about it, that explains Prince Chucky's visit about telling the US to be more understanding. It must be us against Europe now.


This is truly frightening..... will no one but President Bush stand up against these nutcase fanatics?

Again, that is frightening.....


14 posted on 11/03/2005 9:58:25 PM PST by Shortstop7
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To: george76

This is a joke right????


15 posted on 11/03/2005 9:59:08 PM PST by Chgogal (Viva Bush, the real revolutionary. We're winning the WOT in Iraq! Goodbye Che. Hello W!)
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To: TASMANIANRED

I'm sure the French are stunned by this. They no doubt thought that by making nice with Saddam that they had bought themselves an antiterrorism insurance policy. Fools. They should know that you can't bargain with snakes. I thought that whole fiasco called WW II would have taught them something.


16 posted on 11/03/2005 10:00:23 PM PST by kmne68
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To: Chgogal; Shortstop7

Yes, a joke from scrappleface.

http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=2057


17 posted on 11/03/2005 10:03:17 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
LOL

Opppps!

You got me. :)

Trouble is I wouldn't put it past M. Villepin to say something that arrogant, non?
18 posted on 11/03/2005 10:07:07 PM PST by Chgogal (Viva Bush, the real revolutionary. We're winning the WOT in Iraq! Goodbye Che. Hello W!)
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To: Chgogal
He is a big Loser.


19 posted on 11/03/2005 10:12:02 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
Yup, and it will be interesting how France will handle this social upheaval. Can't figure out why the Euro is so strong. Not only are the two largest economies in pretty poor condition now both are in either political or social upheaval. Got to go now.
20 posted on 11/03/2005 10:17:53 PM PST by Chgogal (Viva Bush, the real revolutionary. We're winning the WOT in Iraq! Goodbye Che. Hello W!)
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