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Clash of visions for Latin America - It's Bush vs. Chavez
Christian Science Monitor ^ | November 3, 2005 | Howard LaFranchi

Posted on 11/03/2005 1:44:18 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

BUENOS AIRES - President Bush has a vision for Latin America: Build prosperity and stability through open economies and entrepreneurship, more hemispheric trade, and stronger democracies.

Mr. Bush will tout that formula when he meets with 32 leaders from the hemisphere at the Summit of the Americas in the Argentine resort of Mar del Plata beginning Friday.

Jostling for center stage will be a competing vision for Latin America from Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez, the man who would be this century's Fidel Castro, spreading what he calls "21st-century socialism" across the continent. With Venezuela's burgeoning oil revenues to subsidize his vision, the red-bereted Mr. Chávez offers this alternative to Bush's capitalism: heavy state economic intervention and social spending. In his worldview, economic integration means South America, shutting out the giant imperialist to the north.

"If Chávez has his way, Mar del Plata will be the battleground of models for Latin America's future," says Elías Pino Iturrieta, a historian at Universidad Católica Andrés Bello in Caracas, Venezuela. "He's made it very clear that his goal [for the summit] is to bury the proposal for a free-trade area of the Americas for good, and to slay imperialism while he's at it."

The clash of visions may well dominate the summit, in part because no dramatic conclusions are expected from the two-day gathering. But another key factor is that much of the Latin American public is skeptical of the US-backed open-economy model and is tempted - after decades of stubbornly high rates of poverty and joblessness - by an alternative. Chávez - who plans to join Argentine soccer legend Diego Maradona, Bolivian presidential candidate Evo Morales, and other luminaries at a "counter summit" of Latin leftists and anti-imperialists - says he expects the debate of visions to be "beautiful."

Indeed, Chávez may have reason to believe he has the southern winds in his sails. Latin America is leaning left, electing more left-of-center leaders promoting new ways to reduce poverty and preserve a disappearing middle class.

About half of the leaders Bush will meet were elected since the last regular Summit of the Americas in Quebec City in 2001, and a number of them, including the presidents of Brazil, Argentina, and Uruguay, now hail from the left. That trend is likely to continue, with nearly a dozen countries holding presidential elections over the next year, many experts say. Polls show Bolivia (voting next month) and Mexico (next summer) favoring leftist replacements of conservative leaders.

"If you look back to the Quebec summit, Chávez was the only leader criticizing the project for a free-trade area of the Americas and tight fiscal limits on government action while advocating more social spending," says Miguel Tinker Salas, Latin America specialist at Pomona College in Claremont, Calif. "Now those ideas have taken the stage."

Still waiting for capitalism to work

One glaring problem for the Bush vision is that the economic model the president is selling has not lifted the masses of the population during the roughly two decades it has been applied. Economies are growing, but income gaps that make Latin America the world's least equitable region have not closed. Tens of millions of people live on less than $2 a day, while unemployment averages more than double the US rate and a majority of new jobs are created in the black market.

As a result, Bush may find it hard to win many debate points if he focuses on resuscitating the same free-trade-area (FTA) project first adopted a decade ago as a goal for the region. "There's a reaction in Latin America to liberal economic policies and to anything associated with what many people consider a failed experiment," says Mr. Tinker Salas. "For Bush to propose the same FTA all over again will only revive those old issues and convince people he is out of touch with the reality people have experienced."

What Bush has going for him is that the region's new leaders, though willing to accept help and favors from an oil-rich Chávez, have not rushed to return to the failed models of state-run economies and inflationary spending that prevailed during long decades of dictatorship. Nor do they want to shut the door on the United States.

Take Brazil's President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva. A longtime labor leader, he was expected to turn to heavy government intervention but instead has relied on trade and fiscal discipline to boost the economy and create jobs. He will greet Bush in Brazil after the Americas summit.

"Leaders of the new Latin left have to speak a different rhetoric to very dissatisfied populations, but at the same time they are not straying too far outside the prevailing economic box," says Oscar Raúl Cardoso, a foreign affairs analyst here. "They have to maintain a different kind of bond with the people, but that doesn't mean they are going very far in Chávez's populist direction."

'A hen who lays golden eggs'

But Chávez is popular in some countries, such as Argentina, and leaders cannot disregard that, Mr. Cardoso notes. In Argentina, for example, Chávez has rescued a number of state-owned factories slated to close, and has breathed life into Argentine shipbuilding - and saved thousands of jobs - by ordering several ships.

"Chávez is having a good moment because he has a hen who lays golden eggs," says Venezuela's Pino. "It's hard to resist that kind of friend."

Latin leaders are not averse to using Chávez as a kind of smoke screen to hide behind. "They are happy to let Chávez do the dirty work they may believe in but don't want to do," says Cardoso. Many governments, he says, oppose a hemispheric free-trade area as envisioned by the US, "but instead of saying so they will point to Chávez and say there is no consensus."

In the end, Chávez may win the rhetorical battle but not many, if any, converts, experts say. "I don't see [the region making] any historic choice between Chávez and the US," says Pino. "But ... governments know they have to act to fill some big holes in the system. That can sound like they are moving in Chávez's direction."

Latin America's shifts

Since taking office in 2001, President Bush has seen three South American nations elect left-leaning leaders, with others poised to do so in coming elections. But some nations in the region are shifting the other way. Moved to the left: • Argentina: President Néstor Kirchner took office May 2003.

• Brazil: President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva took office January 2003.

• Uruguay: President Tabaré Vázquez took office March 2005.

Leaning left:

• Mexico: Manuel López Obrador, former mayor of Mexico City, leads in the polls for next year's presidential election.

Moved to the right:

• Dominican Republic: President Leonel Fernández elected August 2004.

• Guatemala: President Oscar Berger took office January 2004.

Closer ties to US:

• Colombia: President Álvaro Uribe took office August 2002.

• Paraguay: President Nicanor Duarte took office August 2003.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: communism; democracy; freetrade; georgewbush; hugochavez; latinamerica; oil; socialism; venezuela
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Hugo Chavez - Venezuela


Supporters of Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez rally outside the Supreme Court with a flag of Argentine revolutionary leader Ernesto 'Che' Guevara in Caracas, Venezuela, Thursday, Oct. 27, 2005, where the court is deciding whether or not to uphold a method of tallying votes, supported by the government, in which votes for parties can be shared by larger political movement to which they belong. (AP Photo/Gregorio Marrero)

1 posted on 11/03/2005 1:44:20 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
It's Bush vs. Chavez

Not much of a fight.

2 posted on 11/03/2005 1:46:19 AM PST by ECM
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Venezuela is turning a deeper hue of Communist red. The question is, what are we going to do about it?

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We're Know We're Dead Wrong.")

3 posted on 11/03/2005 1:46:29 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Good question.


4 posted on 11/03/2005 2:02:53 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
While it means suffering for millions, I do sort of hope the mass of So America remains firmly in the grip of leftist/socialist/communist ideology. That way, we never have to worry about competition from them on the world stage as they will remain unproductive wastelands of human misery, desperately dependent upon the exports of other nations, exports that they will be barely able to afford.

Thanks to a$$holes like Karl Marx and his followers, the US has been able able to exert some control over the third world and most of the second with food aid.

5 posted on 11/03/2005 2:07:43 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: muir_redwoods
That's an interesting perspective.
6 posted on 11/03/2005 2:24:31 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: muir_redwoods

>> While it means suffering for millions,

Millions who will continue to stampede over the Rio Grand.


7 posted on 11/03/2005 2:31:47 AM PST by mmercier (same as it ever was but worse)
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To: muir_redwoods

if you think illegal immigration is a problem now...


8 posted on 11/03/2005 2:47:17 AM PST by JohnLongIsland
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Like it or not, Bush is the most transformational president of modern times. The world will never be the same.


9 posted on 11/03/2005 3:07:43 AM PST by tkathy (Do-nothings are not the ones who have saved oppressed people from tyranny.)
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To: tkathy; goldstategop; All

Venezuela: Fumbling A Pop Up

The Pentagon has begun contingency planning for potential military conflict with Venezuela as part of a broad post-Iraq evaluation of strategic threats to the United States.

The planning has been precipitated by general and specific directives issued by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and his civilian policy assistants.


Internal documents associated with the 2005 Quadrennial Defense Review (QDR) and preparation of the fiscal year 2008-2013 future defense plan identify five specific "threat" countries in three groups requiring "full-spectrum" planning.


The first group includes North Korea and Iran, both justified for their involvement in the development of weapons of mass destruction. China is listed as a "growing peer competitor" and threat of tomorrow. Syria and Venezuela are listed as "rogue nations."

To call Venezuela a "rogue" nation, a retro-label usually reserved for the worst lawless regimes, is both lazy and small minded.


Relations between the U.S. and Venezuela have deteriorated steadily since President Hugo Chavez, an anti-imperial populist, was elected in December 1998.

Chavez has become a champion of opposition to U.S. policies and activities throughout the world, and has established closer relations with Russia, China and Iran. The Pentagon also believes that Chavez is encouraging revolutions in both Bolivia and Ecuador, as well as providing support for Columbian paramilitaries.

Though autocratic, Chavez has also presided over unprecedented growth in the Venezuelan economy, setting the stage for a significant increase in public services. Given solid resources and political backbone, Chavez has been able to keep much of his word to the poor, resulting in a level of domestic popularity that Karl Rove would kill for (that's a joke, Karl).

Military sources ascribe Venezuela's emergence on a list of actual military threats as a reflection of an important post 9/11 war reality: The events themselves of September 11 provide justification -- and perceived need -- to take risks in thinking about unanticipated threats. "The Global War on Terror is rightfully our near-term focus, but we certainly don’t want to be caught flat-footed by a series of other possibilities," says one Defense Department planning document. ...................


http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/2005/11/venezuela_fumbl.html


10 posted on 11/03/2005 3:59:44 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Go Bush!


11 posted on 11/03/2005 4:04:52 AM PST by tkathy (Do-nothings are not the ones who have saved oppressed people from tyranny.)
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To: A. Pole; Willie Green; dennisw; hedgetrimmer; gubamyster
Still waiting for capitalism to work

ping

12 posted on 11/03/2005 4:21:44 AM PST by raybbr
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To: raybbr

Check Post #10.


13 posted on 11/03/2005 4:22:56 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: raybbr

Worrying about Latin America is a waste of time. The whole South America continent is a waste of time. Don't believe it? Argentinians of Italian descent know it; they are leaving the country by the tens of thousands and returning to Italy. If you had to live in Argentina, or Uruguay, or Venezuela, or Colombia, etc., if you had any ambition and were sick of the oligarchs and the military satraps you'd be looking for a new home as well.


14 posted on 11/03/2005 4:32:06 AM PST by gaspar
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To: raybbr
A related article:

Mexico to Push for Reviving FTAA Talks
     Mexican President Vicente Fox will ask his counterparts at the Americas Summit in Argentina to set a date to relaunch negotiations for the Free Trade Area of the Americas, a Mexican official said Wednesday.
     Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has vowed, along with thousands of anti-free trade protesters in Argentina, to block any attempts to reactivate the FTAA.
     Organization of American States Secretary-General Jose Miguel Insulza has said he believes it will be difficult to dive into FTAA negotiations until the next round of World Trade Organization talks have progressed.
snip

15 posted on 11/03/2005 4:35:09 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: DumpsterDiver
These backwater SA countries see the U.S hanging a teat out for everyone else around the world and at home. They also see that Bush has a pre-disposition toward hispanic nations. At this point they are just puckering up knowing that Bush will come down and promise, promise, promise. Then he'll come back and try to convince us that these people have same goals as us.

I won't buy it. I also don't know what to do about it.

16 posted on 11/03/2005 4:50:10 AM PST by raybbr
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To: gaspar
Worrying about Latin America is a waste of time. The whole South America continent is a waste of time. Don't believe it? Argentinians of Italian descent know it; they are leaving the country by the tens of thousands and returning to Italy. If you had to live in Argentina, or Uruguay, or Venezuela, or Colombia, etc., if you had any ambition and were sick of the oligarchs and the military satraps you'd be looking for a new home as well.

Actually, the folks I know in Argentina who wanted to move to the US have changed their minds since seeing what happened in New Orleans after Katrina.

The reality is that we all seem headed towards a socialist hell hole - some just a little faster than others.

17 posted on 11/03/2005 4:57:01 AM PST by The Duke
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To: tkathy
Like it or not, Bush is the most transformational president of modern times. The world will never be the same.

You are right. Unless we stop him he will be known as the president that hispanicized the United States.

18 posted on 11/03/2005 5:10:10 AM PST by raybbr
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To: raybbr

Reagan started it


19 posted on 11/03/2005 5:38:28 AM PST by tkathy (Do-nothings are not the ones who have saved oppressed people from tyranny.)
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To: goldstategop

The fact that Venezuela is turning more "red" doesn't bother the "free traders" in the white house. The fact that south America is turning communist doesn't bother them, as long as they can make their "free trade" treaties and get slave labor or very low cost labor for their businesses. You see, the "free traders" set China up as a shining example of how doing business with communists and it has made them extremely wealthy. Arguably, south America veering into communism is in their favor as well.


20 posted on 11/03/2005 6:59:53 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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