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To: Reagan Man; goldstategop
I'm sick of you running around FR acting like you know whats best for Colorado, when you don't know anything about the Centennial State. NOTHING! Stick to your own home state. California is so screwed up its pathetic.

Don't listen to him, gold. He's sick of everyone who doesn't think four-billion dollar tax increases for dems to spend are a great idea.

Colorado is likely on a long, downhill slide to Californianess and the gutting of Tabor has begun as part of that process.

I grew up in CO and lived in CA for about 20 years. During that 20 years, I watched CA's government go blue and the state change from a reasonably well governed place into a third-world clownocracy. So I moved home. Now I am watching CO take the same path. So please keep reminding us what it looks like at the other end of the slide.

During Bill Owens' tenure as governor, the R's have lost a US Senate Seat, both houses of the legislature, and Owens (in supporting C) has inflicted a probably fatal wound on our only viable candidate for governor (Bob Beaugrez). The supreme court here is hopeless and will not change for a long, long time.

Even worse, the campaign finance reform act three years ago here was an outrageous con on the voters--it basically allows unions and trial lawyers to raise and contribute unlimited funds while noone else can. As a result, our candidates for the legislature are being outspent 5:1 and 10:1 and losing. Now, with Ref C, the gutting of Tabor has begun.

What is left of Tabor and the hope of winning the governorship is the only thing standing betweeen us and the fast slippery-slope to the state CA is in. Once there, I think you can testify how difficult it is to get out of the cesspool.

Reagan Man cannot see that. Moderate R's tend to see the problem as building the next road and miss the big political picture. And there's validity to his viewpoint as long as sensible people control the political machinery. In Colorado, they emphatically do not. And by giving up the one issue that once united Republicans (lower taxes) and won elections, Owens has fractured the R coalition here and given away our credibility on our best, single winning issue for a generation.

18 posted on 11/02/2005 8:25:14 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: ModelBreaker
I'm afraid your state will stuck with a fiscal hangover like CA and voters will be hostile to fixing it. For good reason - those dependent on government want their benefits now and the common good be damned. Today's politics is about the present and planning for tomorrow is not something that gets politicians elected - and re-elected.

("Denny Crane: Gun Control? For Communists. She's a liberal. Can't hunt.")

21 posted on 11/02/2005 8:28:49 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: ModelBreaker
I'm afraid Ref C has done permanent damage to the Colorado Republican Party. How do we persuade the voters a Democrat Legislature is a bad thing when as soon as the Dems take over the pubbies join with them to ask for a tax increase?
29 posted on 11/02/2005 8:41:52 AM PST by colorado tanker (I can't comment on things that might come before the Court, but I can tell you my Pinochle strategy)
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To: ModelBreaker
>>>>Don't listen to him, gold.

No, everyone should listen to you! LOL

Its quite obvious, people like you who opposed Ref C are not just supporters of limited govt. I'm convinced you're anti-govt, as in, libertarian or Libertarian. For all I know, you might even be an anarchist.

Colorado voters approved Referendem C. All your whiny rhetoric won't reverse that decision. Some of us who voted for Ref C struggled with our decision. We placed the future of Colorado before politics. I suggest you try looking beyond your own nose and stop acting like a sore loserman.

46 posted on 11/02/2005 7:12:19 PM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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