Posted on 11/01/2005 11:19:57 AM PST by Eaglewatcher
Compare the FairTax, the Flat Tax and the Income Tax
16th Amendment
Current Income Tax: No Change. Flat Tax: No Change. FairTax: Proposes repeal. Complexity
Current Income Tax: Very complex. 20,000 pages of regulations. IRS incorrect over half of the time. Flat Tax: Witholding continues. Individuals and businesses must still track income and file income tax forms. FairTax: Individuals do not file. Businesses need only to deal with sales tax returns. Congressional Action
Current Income Tax: Used by lobbyists and the wealthy for tax breaks and loopholes. Used by bureaucrats for social engineering. Flat Tax: Has some problems, but is far superior to current law. FairTax: 23% Linder/Peterson FairTax Act (H.R. 25). Employees receive 100% of pay. Social Security and Medicare funded from consumption tax revenue, not your paycheck. Cost of Filing
Current Income Tax: $225 billion in annual compliance costs. Flat Tax: Significant simplification costs are somewhat reduced. FairTax: No personal forms are filed. Significant cost savings. Economy
Current Income Tax: Taxes savings, labor, investment, and productivity multiple times. Flat Tax: Imposes a tax burden some of which is still hidden in the price of goods and services. FairTax: Un-taxes wages, savings, and investment. Increases productivity. Produces significant economic growth. Equality
Current Income Tax: The current tax code violates the principle of equality. Special rates for special circumstances violate the original Constitution and are unfair. Flat Tax: A flat tax is an improvement of the current income tax, but it is still open to manipulation by special interests. FairTax: Taxpayers pay the same rate and control their liability. Tax paid depends on life style. All taxes are rebated on spending up to the poverty level.
Foreign Companies
Current Income Tax: Current tax code places unfair tax burden on U.S. exports and fails to neutralize tax advantages for imports. Flat Tax: A flat tax taxes exported goods and does not tax foreign imports to the U.S., creating unfair competition for U.S. manufacturers and businesses. FairTax: Foreign companies are forced to compete on even terms with U.S. companies for the first time in over 80 years. Government Intrusion
Current Income Tax: Current tax code requires massive files, dossiers, audits, and collection activities. Flat Tax: A flat tax still requires personal files, dossiers, audits, and collection activities. FairTax: As the Founding Fathers intended, the FairTax does not directly tax individuals.
History
Current Income Tax: The 1913 income tax has evolved into an antiquated, unenforceable morass, with annual tax returns long enough to circle Earth 28 times. Flat Tax: A flat tax just wont stay flat. Starting out nearly flat in 1913, the income tax grew out of control with top rates over 90% until the Kennedy administration. FairTax: 45 states now use a retail sales tax. Interest Rates
Current Income Tax: Pushes rates up. Biased against savings and investment. Flat Tax: Reduces rates 25-35 percent. Neutral toward savings and investment. FairTax: Reduces rates by an estimated 25-35 percent. Savings and investment increase.
Investment
Current Income Tax: Biased against savings and investment. Flat Tax: Neutral toward savings and investment. FairTax: Increases investment by U.S. citizens, attracts foreign investment. IRS
Current Income Tax: Retained. Flat Tax: Retained with reduced role. FairTax: Abolished.
Jobs
Current Income Tax: Hurts U.S. companies and decreases available jobs. Payroll tax a direct tax on labor. Flat Tax: Positive impact on jobs. Does not repeal payroll tax on jobs. FairTax: Makes U.S. manufacturers more competitive against overseas companies. Escalates creation of jobs by attracting foreign investment and reducing tax bias against savings and investment. Man-hours Required for Compliance
Current Income Tax: Over 5.4 billion hours per year. Flat Tax: Reduced. FairTax: Zero hours for individuals. Greatly reduced hours for businesses. Non-filers
Current Income Tax: High tax rates, unfairness and high complexity harm compliance Flat Tax: Reduced tax rates and improved simplicity will improve compliance. FairTax: Reduced tax rates and fewer filers will increase compliance. Personal and Corporate Income Taxes
Current Income Tax: Retained. Flat Tax: Retained in a different form. FairTax: Both are abolished. Productivity
Current Income Tax: Inhibits productivity. Flat Tax: Increases. FairTax: Increases.
Savings
Current Income Tax: Decreases savings. Flat Tax: Increases savings. FairTax: Increases savings. Visibility
Current Income Tax: The current tax code is hidden, embedded in prices, complex, and incomprehensible. Taxes are withheld from paychecks. Flat Tax: The business component of the flat tax and payroll taxes are hidden and would be embedded in prices. Taxes are withheld from paychecks. FairTax: The FairTax is highly visible and easy to understand. No tax is withheld from paychecks.
Thx for posting. A sales tax would revolutionize our economy.
Tax Panel receommendations are out
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=politicsNews&storyID=2005-11-01T190232Z_01_SIB168460_RTRUKOC_0_US-ECONOMY-TREASURY-TAXES.xml&archived=False
Looks like a tax increase inmy future if these are adopted.
The post doesn't seem to be formatted correctly. Good info.
I do have a problem with the 16th Amendment still existing if HR 25 gets approved. The website says that the 16th Amendment will have to be abolished AFTER HR 25 is approved. The reasoning makes sense. It points out that the 16 Amendment cannot be abolished while the Income Tax is still on the books. HR 25 abolishes Income Tax legislation, but then 38 states have to approve an Amendment to abolish the 16th Amendment.
Also, someone noted yesterday that existing savings accounts should be reimbursed to negate double-taxation. I like this addition.
Other than those two things, I like the plan.
With an income tax, the government gains from people earning more.
With a sales, the government gains from items costing more. Any action (such as environmental regulations) that raise the price of an item will generate more government income. A sales tax give the government even more rationale for inflation. (Governments also want to pay their debts with cheaper money.)
We will probably get both. Twice as much scope for social engineering.
"Also, someone noted yesterday that existing savings accounts should be reimbursed to negate double-taxation. I like this addition. "
Actually the 16th removal could be agreed by the majoriy of states and a FairTax bill could contain an amendment to ratify the removal of the 16th, so signing the bill would then automatically invalidate the 16th... I think
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I earn $1000, pay 20% income tax on it,net $800, put it in the bank.
The Fair Tax passes.
I then take that money and buy something. I'll pay 23% or whatever tax on the purchase.
That's not double taxation?
No. 3/4 of states have to approve an Amendment to abolish a currently recognized Amendment.
Possible Negative Tax Rate? (i.e., people profiting from the tax system)
- Current system: YES -
with Earned Income Tax Credit and other credits
- Flat Tax: NO
0% is the minimum possible tax rate. Some people may not pay taxes, but no one would profit from the tax system.
- FairTax: YES
with the FairTax's Family Consumption Allowance (which would be the largest entitlement program in the history of this country), anyone spending below the poverty level would have a negative tax rate (i.e., they make money) and because the amount they receive is based on the FairTax rate, they actually make more money the higher the tax rate is. They profit from tax increases on the rest of us.
"I earn $1000, pay 20% income tax on it,net $800, put it in the bank.
The Fair Tax passes.
I then take that money and buy something. I'll pay 23% or whatever tax on the purchase.
That's not double taxation?"
What?? you say that companys are greedy and will not lower their prices when their tax costs go down? Then you don't believe in the law of supply, demand, and competition. There are lots of examples of this happening when taxes were removed from items -- see Boortz's book.You mean the part of the book that says we get to keep all of our pay check and tax-inclusive price would be the same?!? You mean the part of the book he basically retracted and stated that prices can only go down significantly if wages are reduced?
As explained in The FairTax Book, there are taxes embedded in everything we buy. Every entity which provides a product or service in the design, production, marketing, distribution and sale of every consumer good or service will incur some tax liability as they perform their particular function. This tax liability will be incorporated into whatever these individuals or business entitles charge for their services, and will all passed through to become a part of the final cost of the product or service.
Now here's what we didn't explain well in the book. Every employee of any company involved in American commerce is also a provider of a service, and, as such, the employee incurs a tax liability as a result of his or her work. This tax liability is incorporated into what the employee charges the employer for their services, and is eventually incorporated into the final retail cost of the employer's product or service. Each employee is essentially a separate business entity providing a product, be it physical or mental labor, to the employer.
The extensive research behind HR 25, The FairTax Bill, shows that the average embedded taxes in every consumer product or service is about 22%. In some industries, such as leather goods, the embedded tax is smaller. In other industries, such as homebuilding and construction, the embedded tax is higher, but it averages out to somewhere between 22 and 23%. With the passage of The FairTax Bill, those embedded taxes disappear. These embedded taxes include the combined tax burdens of all entities involved in bringing those goods or services to market, and that includes you, the employee, and the taxes you incur as a result of your employment.
We write in The FairTax Book that the competitive pressures of the marketplace will force prices down when embedded taxes disappear from the cost of retail goods and services, and we cite 22% as the average amount of those embedded taxes. Does this 22% include the income and payroll taxes that are paid by employees? Yes, it does. So ... what does this mean to your paycheck after the FairTax becomes law?
When the FairTax is implemented, and when business and personal income and payroll taxes disappear, your employer is going to have to make a decision. He will either take some or the entire amount he had been withholding for federal income and payroll taxes and add it to your weekly check, or he will readjust your pay figures so that your entire paycheck will be equal to what you used to call "take home pay" before the FairTax. The employer may also decide to do a little of both. Either way, you can see that the amount of money you actually receive as pay -- the amount you can put into your bank account -- will not decrease, and may actually increase.
On a larger scale real wages will rise to the extent to which the nation's employers decide to return the embedded costs of their employee's income and payroll taxes to the employee. Likewise, the cost of the products or services produced by the employer will be reduced to the extent to which that employer retains all or a portion of those income and payroll taxes together with the other taxes on capital and labor eliminated by the FairTax. Once again, a zero-sum, revenue neutral game.
Now, let's elaborate on the "keep 100% of your paycheck" line that appears in The FairTax Book. It is certainly true that after the FairTax becomes law there will be no more withholding from your paycheck for any federal taxes. What you earn is what you get. This is not to say that your gross pay will equal what it was before the FairTax. This will depend on what your employer does when the embedded costs represented by the tax burden you have passed on to your employer disappear. One thing is certain: You will suffer no decrease in real or net earnings --- the amount of each paycheck you deposit into your bank account every other week. The "keep 100% of your paycheck" concept can more easily be applied to those who either change jobs or come into the labor force after the implementation of the FairTax. A new worker will negotiate a wage with an employer knowing that the amount negotiated will be the amount that worker receives every two weeks ... no deductions. Likewise, when you change employers you, too, will negotiate a wage that will not be subject to withholding, and you will get 100% of your wages in each paycheck.
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The "wages are reduced" only if you count the taxes as part of the wages.When you negotiate your wage with your employer, do you negotiate the after-tax wage or the pre-tax wage? If you no longer owe income tax and your employer reduces your nominal wage to what you were taking home previously, did he reduce your salary? What if you have a contract (e.g., labor unions) that states a pretax wages? Doesn't the employer have to honor that contract? (BTW, how does your employer know how much you pay in taxes? He knows what he withholds, but that's usually not what someone owes.)
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