Posted on 10/28/2005 1:47:07 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
I was watching PBS Jim Snare report. I put up with listening to Fitzgerald's explaination of what Libby's supposedly said to reporters etc.. Sounds like they caught him on a technicality as to the time frames when he shared info with any given reporter at any given time. Perhaps he (Libby) screwed up. But then as I was finishing up the last few bites of food on my plate, the put on Ben Venista, at which point I cried out I can't take this shit anymore and shut the tube off. Snakes begat snakes.
We most certainly do know some of what he said. If you read the indictment there is a verbatim transcript of some of Libby's testimony.
Have you read it yet?
That's what I am saying. In order to get them to play around; they had to give them some room to manuver around in and what better way than a non signed confidentiality agreement. Something most people are not looking for.
If it isn't a crime then what in the world is the point????
Truth is, because of the focus and all, Libby could with an impressive defense fund honestly take this back at the folks who started this whole thing.
Ben Venista always appears to me as a slimeball!
Perhaps you feel that way because he really is a dirty rotten no good slime ball.
He is obviously a good Beltway DemonicRat!
I think Libby may have fallen on a sword for others.
Levin states Fitzgerald, when asked if it was proven that a covert operatory was outed, he said "No".....but any classifiedCIA agent should be expected to to have their anonimonity guaranteed. Is the janitor or parking attendants convered. EVeryone at Langley is classified according to Levine. Classification means nothing regarding being outted. Being covert does.
When any form of smoke screen must be set up one finds the snake's face show up on the fly. Billy Boy naturally would have seeked out the lowest life but cleaver lawyer he could possiblly find to represent him way back when. Notice how the demorats made sure he was a member of the 9/11 commission, to make sure everything stayed within the boundaries the demorats wanted to commission to steer.
And I am NOT getting that. What I am reading is that Libby was playing dumb with the reporters. Which is not a crime.
So tell me - if you said under oath that you told Tim Russert that you didn't know that Plame was CIA when you did, is that perjury?
I've read the indictment. Printed it out and am going to read it again and mark it up. But I still think Fitz simply got cute here by making it perjury that Libby said to Russert that he did not know - when it is NOT a crime to lie to a reporter.
pg 4: 6. On or about June 11 or 12,2003, the Under Secretary of State orally advised LIBBY in the White House that, in sum and substance, Wilson's wife worked at the CIA and that State Department personnel were saying that Wilson's wife was involveed in the planning of his trip.
pg 5: 9. On or about June 12, 2003, LIBBY was advised by the Vice President of the United States that Wilson's wife worked at the Central Intelligence Agency in the Counterproliferation Division. LIBBY understood that the Vice President had learned this information from the CIA.
Pg 5: 11. On or about June 14, 2003, LIBBY met with a CIA briefer. During their conversation he expressed displeasure that CIA officials were making comments to reporters critical of the Vice President's office, and discussed with the briefer, among other things, "Joe Wilson" and his wife "Valerie Wilson," in the context of Wilson's trip to Niger.
Pg 6: 14. On or about June 23, 2003, LIBBY met with New York Times reporter Judith Miller. During this meeting...LIBBY informed her that Wilson's wife might work at a bureau of the CIA.
Pg 7: 17. On or about the morning of July 8, 2003, LIBBY met with New York Times reporter Judith Miller. ... During this discussion, LIBBY advised Miller of his belief that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA.
Pg 7: 19. Not earlier than June 2003, but on or before July 8, 2003, the Assistant to the Vice President for Public Affairs learned from another government official that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA, and advised LIBBY of this information.
Pg 8: 23. On or about July 12, 2003, in the afternoon, LIBBY spoke by telephone to Cooper, who asked whether LIBBY had heard that Wilson's wife was involved in sending Wilson on the trip to Niger. LIBBY confirmed to Cooper, without elaboration or qualification, that he had heard this information too.
Pg 9: 26. ...LIBBY stated to FBI Special Agents that: a. ...LIBBY did not recall that he previously had learned about Wilson's wife's employment from the Vice President. c. LIBBY did not discuss Wilson's wife with New York Times reporter Judith Miller during a meething with Miller on or about July 8, 2003.
P. 18 (Transcript of Libby's grand jury testimony regarding his conversation with Tim Russert on or about July 10, 2003: "...because at that point in time I did not recall that I had ever known (that Plame worked at the CIA), and I thought this is something that he was telling me that I was first learning."
P. 20: a. (Transcript of Libby's grand jury testimony regarding his conversation with Matthew Cooper on or about July 12, 2003) "I was very clear to say reporters are telling us that because in my mind I still didn't know it as a fact (that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA). I thought I was - all I had was this information that was coming in from the reporters."
P. 21 at bottom (transcript of grand jury testimony given on or about March 24, 2004 regarding conversations with reporters) "I didn't know it was true (that Plame worked for the CIA)."
P. 22 "I didn't know he had a wife. ... And the only thing I had, I thought at the time, was what reporters are telling us."
It seems pretty clear to me that Libby was being less than forthright when talking to the FBI and the grand jury and using "other reporters" as a source for information that he knew from the State Department, from the Vice President, and from the CIA.
Did you mean to say Plame worked for the CIA ?
Yeah, that was a type - sorry.
Meant to say "typo" - sheesh. I better go to bed.
Either way, he had an obligation to the taxpayers to drop the case. Tricking Scooter into perjury over a trivial matter was not worth $750,000.
The Demonic Rats and the MSM thought it was and want more effort.
If Libby wants a trial, the 'Rats and the MSM are gonna get more than they wished for.
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