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Some Europeans Aren't Fans of Halloween
Pittsburgh Post Gazette ^ | October 26, 2005 | William J. Kole

Posted on 10/26/2005 11:33:18 AM PDT by steel_resolve

VIENNA, Austria (AP) -- It's almost Halloween - and all those ghosts, goblins, tricks and treats are giving Hans Kohler the creeps.

So the mayor of Rankweil, a town near the border with Switzerland, has launched a one-man campaign disparaging Halloween as a "bad American habit" and urging families to skip it this year.

"It's an American custom that's got nothing to do with our culture," Kohler wrote in letters sent out to households. By midweek, the mayors of eight neighboring villages had thrown their support behind the boycott. So had local police, annoyed with the annual Oct. 31 uptick in vandalism and mischief.

Although Halloween has become increasingly popular across Europe - complete with carved pumpkins, witches on broomsticks, makeshift houses of horror and costumed children rushing door to door for candy - it's begun to breed a backlash.

Critics see it as the epitome of crass, U.S.-style commercialism. Clerics and conservatives contend it clashes with the spirit of traditional Nov. 1 All Saints' Day remembrances.

And it's got purists in countries struggling to retain a sense of uniqueness in Europe's ever-enlarging melting pot grimacing like Jack o' Lanterns.

Halloween "undermines our cultural identity," complained the Rev. Giordano Frosini, a Roman Catholic theologian who serves as vicar-general in the Diocese of Pistoia near Florence, Italy.

Frosini denounced the holiday as a "manifestation of neo-paganism" and an expression of American cultural supremacy. "Pumpkins show their emptiness," he said.

To be sure, Halloween is big business in Europe.

Germans alone spend nearly $170 million, on Halloween costumes, sweets, decorations and parties. The holiday has become increasingly popular in Romania, home to the Dracula myth, where discotheques throw parties with bat and vampire themes.

In Britain, where Halloween celebrations rival those in the United States, it's the most lucrative day of the year for costume and party retailers.

"Without Halloween, I don't think we could exist, to be honest," said Pendra Maisuria, owner of Escapade, a London costume shop that rakes in 30 percent of its annual sales in the run-up to Oct. 31. Metropolitan Police, meanwhile, haven't logged any significant increase in crime.

But not everyone takes such a carefree approach toward the surge in trick-or-treating - "giving something sweet or getting something sour," as it's called in German.

In Austria, where many families get a government child allowance, "parents who abuse it to buy Halloween plunder for their kids should be forced to pay back the aid," grumbled Othmar Berbig, an Austrian who backs the small but strident boycott movement.

In Sweden, even as Halloween's popularity has increased, so have views of the holiday as an "unnecessary, bad American custom," said Bodil Nildin-Wall, an expert at the Language and Folklore Institute in Uppsala.

Italy's Papaboys, a group of pope devotees who include some of the young Catholics who cheer wildly at Vatican events, have urged Christians not to take part in what they consider "a party in honor of Satan and hell," and plan to stage prayer vigils nationwide that night.

Don't take it all so seriously, counters Gerald Faschingeder, who heads a Roman Catholic youth alliance in Austria. He sees nothing particularly evil about glow-in-the-dark skeletons, plastic fangs, fake blood, rubber tarantulas or latex scars.

"It's a chance for girls and boys to disguise themselves and have some fun away from loud and demanding adults," Faschingeder said. "For one evening, at least, kids can feel more powerful than grown-ups."


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: baphomet; devilworship; druids; goatsheadsoup; halloween; satanism; shamhain; sympathyforthedevil; witchessabbat
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Perhaps Herr Kohler can get the UN to pass a resoltuion restricting American Holidays. But how will he slow the import of Chinese made costumes??? Gag me.
1 posted on 10/26/2005 11:33:19 AM PDT by steel_resolve
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To: steel_resolve
"It's an American custom that's got nothing to do with our culture," Kohler

Like brushing our teeth and not killing Jews.

2 posted on 10/26/2005 11:34:29 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: steel_resolve

It's one of the few times I agree with the Europeans.


3 posted on 10/26/2005 11:36:27 AM PDT by twigs
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To: steel_resolve

I think I'll dress as the scariest monster I know this year:

A German cop.


4 posted on 10/26/2005 11:37:29 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: twigs

I'm not a big halloween fan either. I've seen all the dead people I want to see, and I don't really want to have a party over it.


5 posted on 10/26/2005 11:37:43 AM PDT by Terabitten (God grant me the strength to live a life worthy of those who have gone before me.)
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To: steel_resolve

Isn't the actual history of halloween really somewhat darker than we make it? I mean didn't alot of folks do alot of praying on halloween to keep the evil spirits at bay?


6 posted on 10/26/2005 11:37:56 AM PDT by djf (Government wants the same things I do - MY guns, MY property, MY freedoms!)
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To: dead
The anti - Halloween crowd leaves me blank. It's like the jerks that want to call Christmas "winter holiday."
7 posted on 10/26/2005 11:38:48 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: steel_resolve
have urged Christians not to take part in what they consider "a party in honor of Satan and hell,"

In the words of my four-year-old:

Oh, brother!

8 posted on 10/26/2005 11:38:59 AM PDT by TightyRighty
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To: dead
Like brushing our teeth and not killing Jews.

Don't forget deodorant!

9 posted on 10/26/2005 11:40:24 AM PDT by kevkrom (Thank you... I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waitress. (And try the veal!))
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To: steel_resolve

"Halloween" - Hallows E'en - All Hallows Eve: The night before All Saints Day

That's American?


10 posted on 10/26/2005 11:41:01 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: steel_resolve

I'm American and never really liked it, although I like the historical origin as a vigil for All Saints' day (i.e., All Hallows').


11 posted on 10/26/2005 11:41:09 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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Trick or treat!

12 posted on 10/26/2005 11:41:14 AM PDT by evets (God bless president Bush!)
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To: steel_resolve
Don't take it all so seriously, counters Gerald Faschingeder, who heads a Roman Catholic youth alliance in Austria. He sees nothing particularly evil about glow-in-the-dark skeletons, plastic fangs, fake blood, rubber tarantulas or latex scars.

"It's a chance for girls and boys to disguise themselves and have some fun away from loud and demanding adults," Faschingeder said. "For one evening, at least, kids can feel more powerful than grown-ups."

At least they are not all nuts.

13 posted on 10/26/2005 11:42:05 AM PDT by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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To: djf

The history of halloween is indeed very dark. At one point, it mocked All Hallows Eve, but the celebrations go way back in history. I couldn't find any of them that was consistent with my Christian beliefs, so we always spent the day differently.


14 posted on 10/26/2005 11:42:05 AM PDT by twigs
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To: dead

I am almost ashamed I laughed at that, but damnit, that was funny!


15 posted on 10/26/2005 11:42:09 AM PDT by dpa5923 (Small minds talk about people, normal minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas.)
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To: steel_resolve

Some people just need to lighten up...
I still havent figured out what I am going to be this year...


16 posted on 10/26/2005 11:42:15 AM PDT by spookadelic
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To: steel_resolve
Europeans already have Carnival and Fasching, which are basically excuses for adults to wear bizarre costumes and drink excessively in the period after ephiphany.
These mayors are curmudgeons....Halloween is a holiday explicitly for kids to act up under the guise of a costume.
17 posted on 10/26/2005 11:42:36 AM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: djf

From http://wilstar.com/holidays/hallown.htm

The word itself, "Halloween," actually has its origins in the Catholic Church. It comes from a contracted corruption of All Hallows Eve. November 1, "All Hollows Day" (or "All Saints Day"), is a Catholic day of observance in honor of saints. But, in the 5th century BC, in Celtic Ireland, summer officially ended on October 31. The holiday was called Samhain (sow-en), the Celtic New year.

One story says that, on that day, the disembodied spirits of all those who had died throughout the preceding year would come back in search of living bodies to possess for the next year. It was believed to be their only hope for the afterlife. The Celts believed all laws of space and time were suspended during this time, allowing the spirit world to intermingle with the living.

Naturally, the still-living did not want to be possessed. So on the night of October 31, villagers would extinguish the fires in their homes, to make them cold and undesirable. They would then dress up in all manner of ghoulish costumes and noisily paraded around the neighborhood, being as destructive as possible in order to frighten away spirits looking for bodies to possess.

Probably a better explanation of why the Celts extinguished their fires was not to discourage spirit possession, but so that all the Celtic tribes could relight their fires from a common source, the Druidic fire that was kept burning in the Middle of Ireland, at Usinach.


There's more at the link.


18 posted on 10/26/2005 11:43:42 AM PDT by appalachian_dweller (Get Prepared. Stay Prepared. See my FR Homepage for a list of actions and supplies.)
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To: steel_resolve

Yeah, we invented Walpurgisnacht, too. Idiots.


19 posted on 10/26/2005 11:46:05 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: steel_resolve
In Britain, where Halloween celebrations rival those in the United States - I don't think so - I live in a UK city and get at most one knock on the door. Last year I didn't get any.
20 posted on 10/26/2005 11:47:31 AM PDT by toadthesecond
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To: djf

I think it was kind of a merging of Pagan and Christian culture in Europe originally.

At any rate, Halloween (as it stands today) is and should be about little kids getting to have some fun and about communities doing a little something to working together to make it special for the kids.

Thank about it...Halloween as we celebrate it today is where people put up some cheesy decorations up outside their homes because they think the kids will get a kick out of it. Then, they stock up on candy and treats to pass out to the neighborhood kids....why? Because people were kind enough to stock up on candy and give it to them when they were kids. Personally, it's the time I see the most neighbors all year.

I don't even HAVE kids, but it's fun just to see all the neighbors and see the kids eyes light up when they get their candy and get to see the decorations, and each other's costumes and stuff.


21 posted on 10/26/2005 11:50:47 AM PDT by ark_girl
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To: steel_resolve

Most Americans are not fans of Euro-peons.


22 posted on 10/26/2005 11:52:45 AM PDT by SF Republican
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To: steel_resolve

Having read Fraser's The Golden Bough several times through, I can say that the Europeans and yes Germans and Austrians included, have more to do with Halloween celebrations (costuming, pranks, running through town at night) all of which can be traced to their own pagan pre-history, and Roman customs and festivals. It is hardly an American-only festivity. What an astoundingly stupid comment - what's next - we invented lederhosen and alpine caps?


23 posted on 10/26/2005 11:53:49 AM PDT by novembersurprise (MadisonRepublican)
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To: toadthesecond

I haven't had one trick-or-treater in the last four years. I always buy a bag of candy just in case. Always end up eating it myself. If any trick-or-treater did actually come to my house they would hit the gold mine of candy!


24 posted on 10/26/2005 11:53:54 AM PDT by Pest (My reality check bounced!)
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To: appalachian_dweller

Thanks!

It's not like I'm some kinda tight ss about it. Some of the best memories I have are of the bags full of candy!

But we tend to see things only in a narrow view sometimes, and I knew there is alot more history to it than a few pumpkins and Darth Vader costumes.

Years ago, I and my wife went a bit bonkers, I got a bunch of dry ice, we were playing REALLY creepy stuff on the stereo, turned the lights down low, and scared the bejeepers out of the kids who came by!


25 posted on 10/26/2005 11:54:21 AM PDT by djf (Government wants the same things I do - MY guns, MY property, MY freedoms!)
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To: appalachian_dweller

Thanks for the link...I have always loved Halloween...even as a little kid, I was always a witch. Ummmmmm.


26 posted on 10/26/2005 11:54:30 AM PDT by Conservative4Ever (I BELIEVE CONGRESSMAN WELDON!!)
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To: Redbob
I think I'll dress as the scariest monster I know this year:A German cop.

This reminds me of a good joke..."European visions of Heaven and hell"

In European vision of heaven:

The French are the cooks

The Swiss are the bankers

The Italians are the lovers

The Germans are the mechanics

The British are the police

In the European vision of hell:

The French are the mechanics

The Swiss are the lovers

The Italians are the bankers

The British are the cooks

The Germans are the police

27 posted on 10/26/2005 11:55:32 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: steel_resolve
"Pumpkins show their emptiness"

Deep.

28 posted on 10/26/2005 11:58:06 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: mysterio
The anti - Halloween crowd leaves me blank. It's like the jerks that want to call Christmas "winter holiday."

Right on! It's just plain goofy to be a spoil sport.

29 posted on 10/26/2005 12:00:56 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: steel_resolve
JEEPERS!! I was house cleaning and came across my Bing Cosby White Christmas CD!!! Listening to it right now...sniff, sniff, brings back GOOD and wonderful memories of my childhood's christmas past...sniff! LOVE THAT CD!

1) Silent Night

2) Adeste Fideles

3) White Christmas

4)God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen

5) Faith of Our Fathers(yikes, the ACLU ain't gonna like)

6) I'll Be Home For Christmas

7)Jingle Bells/with the Andrews Sisters)

8) Santa Claus Is Comin' to Town

9)Sliver Bells/w Carole Richards

10)It's beginning to Look Like Christmas

11) Christmas In Killarney

12)Mele Kalikimaka(Merry Christmas)/w the Andrews Sisters!!

EXCELLENT CD!

30 posted on 10/26/2005 12:01:17 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: steel_resolve

I feel pretty much the same about Cinco de Mayo.


31 posted on 10/26/2005 12:01:18 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: RoseofTexas

OOOoops, Bing Crosby, not Cosby...:)


32 posted on 10/26/2005 12:02:43 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: dead

LOL, you sure are quick on the draw.


33 posted on 10/26/2005 12:05:25 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: ark_girl; All

Absolutely!

Never in my life did I anticipate Halloween's arrival because I could worship satan and the underworld.

I love Halloween today just as much as I did many decades ago. I, too, see parents with their kids, and fluffy little baby chicks and butterflies walking around the neighborhood. I see Superman and Barbie Princesses and little 3 foot tall firemen. I do what a neighbor did to me when I was little...I reward the kiddos with a little card and a special lollipop attached that says, "This one is extra because you remembered to say, "Thank You." Just a little lesson that maybe will stick with one kid throughout his life, as it did with me.

Remember, even if this was a satan worshipping day, perhaps the devil would have us all say indoors and unhappy. Myself, I would rather turn satan's evil around and turn it into something where people would be friendly and neighborly and families would enjoy some closeness they otherwise might not have had.


34 posted on 10/26/2005 12:09:16 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (Undocumented border patrol agent.)
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To: steel_resolve
"It's an American custom that's got nothing to do with our culture," Kohler wrote

There is a confluence of similar holidays clustered around the end of October. The American version is so totally sanitized it is without meaning, but Kohler knows his local version is so harsh it will make the teeth stand on edge, and that is not even severe by other versions.

35 posted on 10/26/2005 12:13:07 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: ark_girl
Then, they stock up on candy and treats to pass out to the neighborhood kids....why? Because people were kind enough to stock up on candy and give it to them when they were kids.

Precisely! I look forward to Halloween, seeing the kids all dressed up in their costumes. We'll even invite their parents up for candy! I insist that we get the good candy too, Three Musketeer bars, Reeses Peanut Butter Cups, Hershey's Milk Chocolate bars. We have a CD with scary sounds and music and I put a boombox in an upstairs window and play it loud. Halloween is a blast! We are all (children and adults) meant to have fun on that day!
36 posted on 10/26/2005 12:17:38 PM PDT by rochester_veteran (born and raised in rachacha!)
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To: RoseofTexas

My favorite Christmas CD is the Bing Crosby 2-CD Christmas collection that includes those 12 songs and like 35 others. It purports to include every Christmas song Bing Crosby ever recorded for whichever company it was for which he recorded White Christmas (it actually includes like 3 versions of each of Silent Night and White Christmas). I bought it from BMG for like $7, and it was well worth it.


37 posted on 10/26/2005 12:25:47 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: Conservative4Ever; djf
You're welcome.

I've always enjoyed Halloween. Some says it invites evil. To each his/her own.

I dated a young lady years ago who said that "the veil between the spirit world and our world is at it's thinnest on October 31." She was into Wicca which kinda creeped me out so needless to say we are not dating any longer.

There's a place in Loudoun Country, Virginia called Knopps (spelling may be off). Rumor has it that some kind of ritual happens there Halloween night. Me and a couple of buddies decided to skip the parties and check the place out.

Got up there and saw some folks in tunics standing around what looked like candle light. I counted at least 4. A few seconds later this blood currdling scream ripped through the night.

I was armed with a Glock 10 which seemed to jump into my hand. Had about 1/2 a second to decide weather to rush the group in tunics or RUN. Looked back to see my friends about 50 yards away and running fast. I took off after them. The whole way back to the truck the screaming continued. Didn't holster the piece until I was back at the truck.

Talk about SCARED. Felt like a little kid that goes looking for a ghost not expecting to find it and is surprised when he does. We thought we had just witnessed a human sacrifice.

We were all very freaked out. Stayed awake the rest of the night asking ourselves what just happened to us?

Myself and one of the guys went back at first light. There were no signs that anyone had been there the night before. That creeped us out even more.

Here's my theory:

The people in the tunics were at the 12 o'clock position, the screams came from the 11 o'clock position. The screams were from a bobcat that didn't like our presence. The folks in the tunics were just some Wiccians doing whatever they do.

That is about the scariest thing that's ever happened to me. To this day I won't go anywhere near the place, even in the daylight.
38 posted on 10/26/2005 12:41:35 PM PDT by appalachian_dweller (Get Prepared. Stay Prepared. See my FR Homepage for a list of actions and supplies.)
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To: steel_resolve

"...The holiday has become increasingly popular in Romania, home to the Dracula myth, where discotheques throw parties with bat and vampire themes....."

LOL...wouldn't you love to go to a Bat Party in Transylvania?


39 posted on 10/26/2005 12:44:35 PM PDT by Renfield (If Gene Tracy was the entertainment at your senior prom, YOU might be a redneck...)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

WOW! It's tough to find Bing Crosby music now a days! I'll keep an eye out for that collection for sure!


40 posted on 10/26/2005 12:46:11 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: twigs
me too ....
Halloween , once fun , has now degenerated into just another crass adventure in commercialism , promoted by the likes of WalMart far in advance of the actual date . It also does give
those with a sicko and morbid bent a chance to run rampant on the streets with their fantasies .
They are better off sticking with All Saints Day
41 posted on 10/26/2005 12:52:23 PM PDT by injin
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To: dead

"Like brushing our teeth and not killing Jews."

LOL! Great observation!!


42 posted on 10/26/2005 12:52:55 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper
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To: mysterio

Amen. I love Halloween.

Here's a good site for resources:
http://www.fangoria.com/oscommerce2/


43 posted on 10/26/2005 12:53:51 PM PDT by Renfield (If Gene Tracy was the entertainment at your senior prom, YOU might be a redneck...)
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To: djf

http://fangoria.com/oscommerce2/product_info.php?cPath=46&products_id=439


44 posted on 10/26/2005 12:59:19 PM PDT by Renfield (If Gene Tracy was the entertainment at your senior prom, YOU might be a redneck...)
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To: steel_resolve
Everyone with children beware: Some years back, we had a neighbor across the street from us ( a single guy) who always had the best Halloween decorations and props. The children would go to the front door and stick their hands into a hole surrounded by spiderwebs and such to retrieve the candy. To make a long story short, this guy turned out to be a child predator of the weirdest kind and was later raided and arrested. Please watch your kids carefully!
45 posted on 10/26/2005 1:00:36 PM PDT by wolfcreek
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To: ark_girl

"Thank about it...Halloween as we celebrate it today is where people put up some cheesy decorations up outside their homes because they think the kids will get a kick out of it. Then, they stock up on candy and treats to pass out to the neighborhood kids....why? Because people were kind enough to stock up on candy and give it to them when they were kids. Personally, it's the time I see the most neighbors all year."

That's garish...


46 posted on 10/26/2005 1:04:01 PM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: injin; twigs; All

I think you busybodies mind your own business. I like Halloween.


47 posted on 10/26/2005 1:16:48 PM PDT by KevinDavis (the space/future belongs to the eagles --> http://www.cafepress.com/kevinspace1)
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To: RoseofTexas

My hubby was talking about getting a head start on Christmas this year instead of waiting for Thanksgiving to start decorating...he wants to do it now...I agreed.


48 posted on 10/26/2005 1:19:09 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Renfield

Halloween's my birthday, so I guess I'm biased. Coolest birthday ever when you are a kid. Not so bad as an adult, either.


49 posted on 10/26/2005 1:19:28 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: pbrown
I put up two Christmas trees, one in the den and the other in the living room. The one in the den I put up the first week of Nov., the living Room right after Thanksgiving and the outside decos!
50 posted on 10/26/2005 1:23:54 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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