I hate to say it but they are right. If Rove or anyone lied to the grand jury, they should be held accountable. Anyone with an ounce of intellectual honesty will admit that.
I agree with you, 85%. My 15% reservation is due to the fact that a prosecutor, by the way he jogs one witness' memory while allowing another's to remain unsparked, can create the impression of deliberate perjury where only human memory limitations exist.
If someone lied, or failed to fully answer a question that was actually asked, then they should be punished. If someone failed to answer a question that WAS NOT ASKED, or if they simply forgot (or misremembered), how can we honestly expect them to be punished?
The problem is that in hours of testifying it is perfectly possible to answer a question honestly, but inaccurately.
For example, someone might ask you how you first found out a particular fact, and you answer that a particular person told you on such-and-such a date. Then, when you check, you find out someone sent you an e-mail the day before that you forgot about.
To prove a criminal case, one must show that there was a deliberate intent to deceive and not just an honest mistake. In an inflamed political case like this, though, that distinction might be ignored or shouted down.
I have no opinion on this matter, because I wasn't in the Grand Jury room. However, if Rove or anyone else deliberately said things that are not true, hang 'em.
Whoops - strenuous.
You are right. However, what makes a lie? Clinton lied with the intent to deceive. It may be that Rove and/or Libby said something that was untrue, but it appears from everything I've read that when they were offered evidence that showed them the actual dates/times/etc., they "refreshed their recollection" and filled in the details of the story. Getting a date or a minor detail wrong is not a lie if the inconsistency is not deliberate. Proving an intent to deceive is hard to do. It appears, at least on the surface, that Rove and Libby have cooperated fully with the investigation.
Even though this whole tempest in a teacup is a witch hunt over a non-crime about a non-spy married to a non-inspector.
Ever hear of a 'kangaroo' court?
And while I am at it does Fitzgerald accept accounts of the news reports and reporters as the standard? Did reporters lie? If you ask 2 people the same questions long enough their replies will diverge, if only slightly.