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To: cdrw; Peach
or did they fail to collect $430MM in margin collateral from their customers and then hide that

This is what's been reported. Uncollected debt from third parties, not proprietary trading.

Thanks for the ping.

15 posted on 10/16/2005 7:01:33 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Take the high road. You'll never have to meet a Democrat.)
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To: prairiebreeze
Yes, but the **main** third party that's in default to REFCO is a hedge fund that is (or was, at least) principally controlled by Bennett.

Bennett tried to recoup through the IPO; the mkt put a multiple on his shares, which he promptly pledged to a bank for a loan to pay off the dinger. When $430 mio of putative 'assets' are both nonexistent to start and subsequently created in this fashion, the technical term for such a situation is 'securities fraud'. This is even less subtle than what Bernie Ebbers tried, btw, and Bennett is in for a long visit to the Graybar Hotel.

The interesting question is: since Bennett could not have pulled this off by himself, who else will get to enjoy a stay in chokey? Thornton? That would seem likely. Grant? Maybe, hard to say at this point. REFCO Capital Markets compliance people? A good bet, some of them.

The sequel here should be fascinating.

18 posted on 10/16/2005 11:58:26 AM PDT by SAJ
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