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Quake Prompts Questions on Bin Laden(Did Alla get him for us?)
AP ^ | 10/11/05 | KATHERINE SHRADER,

Posted on 10/12/2005 6:50:30 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Quake Prompts Questions on Bin Laden

By KATHERINE SHRADER, Associated Press Writer
Tue Oct 11, 4:04 PM ET

Did Osama bin Laden's secret lair crumble in the earthquake that devastated northwest Pakistan? So far, U.S. government officials and terrorism experts caution against too much speculation about whether the al-Qaida chief may have been killed, injured or forced from hiding.

"There's a lot of people who know that that's an obvious question" was the most Pentagon spokesman Lawrence Di Rita would say Tuesday about U.S. thinking on bin Laden's fate.

Federal officials who track terrorism for a living said there's no evidence yet to suggest that bin Laden or his top deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, was injured or killed in the quake.

Yet the quake has caused many in and out of government to ask, "What if?"

Bin Laden has managed to avoid capture for nearly a decade, including a feverish manhunt since he ordered the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. The United States is offering up to $25 million for information leading to his killing or capture.

He has been rumored to be taking cover anywhere from urban areas of Pakistan to remote cave structures winding along the Afghan-Pakistani border to villages in western Pakistan's lawless tribal areas.

Any of these possible hideouts could have been at least shaken by Saturday's 7.6-magnitude quake, forcing bin Laden to move.

Bruce Hoffman, a terrorism expert at the RAND Corp. in Washington, noted that some also theorize that he may be hiding in the disputed region of Kashmir, controlled by the Pakistani military, which was devastated by the temblor.

The region is difficult to move in and out of, Hoffman said, and Islamic extremist groups friendly to bin Laden have camps and operations there.

"It's enormously tempting to speculate" about bin Laden's situation, Hoffman said. But "without knowing where he is, it's impossible to say."

Rumors that bin Laden is suffering from kidney failure and requires regular medical care have persisted, but never been confirmed. His deteriorating appearance in videotapes released shortly after U.S. bombing began in Afghanistan in October 2001 fueled that speculation.

Yet, in 2002, a prominent Pakistani doctor admitted treating bin Laden before and after Sept. 11. The doctor said the terrorist leader was in excellent health and showed no signs of kidney disease or dialysis.

Bolstering that case, bin Laden appeared healthy in a video released in 2004 before the November U.S. elections.

The United States is probably using satellite imagery and eavesdropping technology to search for clues to bin Laden's whereabouts. But most terrorists are apprehended after a tip from a source on the ground, which has proven elusive in bin Laden's case.

When asked whether additional efforts were now going toward detecting bin Laden's movements, Di Rita said: "We're not trying any harder or less to find bin Laden than we've been doing since 9/11. It's a tough problem, and we have a lot or resources dedicated to it."

Many U.S. resources are going toward humanitarian relief. Di Rita said that within the next couple of days there probably would be 25 to 30 U.S. military helicopters sent to Pakistan from Afghanistan, Bahrain and other countries in the region.

The Pakistani government has asked the U.S. military for heavy equipment like earth movers, forklifts, bulldozers and trucks, in addition to tents, blankets and food. The U.S. military also is flying aerial reconnaissance missions to help pinpoint areas for emergency supply deliveries, Di Rita said.

Milt Bearden, who spent three decades at the CIA and was the agency's top official in Pakistan from 1986 to 1989, said that if bin Laden survived the quake, the thousands of Pakistani forces that have been pursuing him in the tribal areas will be pulled out to deal with rescue operations, hampering efforts to go after him.

Bearden said the U.S. could ask Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf for permission to conduct discreet operations in Pakistan.

But "my gut is that he says no, for the simple reason that as good as our Special Operations people are, nobody ever has been good enough to operate in there without getting into trouble," dating back to Alexander the Great in the 4th century B.C., Bearden said.

If bin Laden died, the world may never know. Bearden said his fate might be anyone's guess: "A dead guy squashed, he just disappears — or someone drags out a body and says ... 'That's bin Laden.'"

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AP Military Writer Robert Burns contributed to this report.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; binladen; devastation; earthquake; elvisbinladen; hideout; kashmir; pakistan
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I ran across a new report quoting German paper Bild, according to which U.S. spy satellite spotted him in N.W. Pakistan last week before the quake hit, and no sign of him since then.

I don't know how credible Bild's report is, but it is an intriguing question to ask what happened to him during the quake.

1 posted on 10/12/2005 6:50:33 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The quake was a gift from the mighty Jehovah as He finally swept down from the heavens to smite the evil Osama bin Laden!


2 posted on 10/12/2005 6:52:14 AM PDT by xrp (Conservative votes are to Republicans what 90% of black votes are to Democrats (taken for granted))
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To: TigerLikesRooster
If Hurricane Katrina was allah's work, what's this osama?  Say hello to God's Fist.
 
Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)

3 posted on 10/12/2005 6:53:14 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Howlin; Bahbah; MinuteGal; onyx; mystery-ak

How ironic! Maybe the quake got him for us?


4 posted on 10/12/2005 6:55:39 AM PDT by hoosiermama (FREEPERS...STUCK ON SUPERIOR!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Tiger can I get a link to that article...the english version please.


5 posted on 10/12/2005 6:56:02 AM PDT by Dog
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To: TigerLikesRooster

> ... whether the al-Qaida chief may have been killed,
> injured or forced from hiding.

Or merely rendered incommunicado for some weeks,
or trapped in a cave.

Many remote villages haven't been heard from, because
the deep valley roads leading to them were buried
under landslides and rockslides.

And winter's coming on.


6 posted on 10/12/2005 7:00:01 AM PDT by Boundless
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Re #5

Unfortunately, I don't have the link to English or German version. Maybe you can ask Freeper pepsionice or longjack, who have a good handle on German stuffs.

7 posted on 10/12/2005 7:02:16 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Bin Laden has managed to avoid capture for nearly a decade . . .

And Bill Clinton didn't help by avoiding Sudan's multiple offers to turn him over.

8 posted on 10/12/2005 7:04:31 AM PDT by Andyman (Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to God.)
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To: Boundless
I hope he's buried under 100 feet of rock with some of his buds...right after a huge meal to keep him alive for awhile... He's the only one alive...trapped...both legs pinned...arms pinned...no breaks or deep cuts..nice crawly things are tasting him...a bite there...a bite here.....a slow drip of water...a drop every 5 minutes...hits him square on the forehead...stuff is starting to rot all around him...Heh...heh..heh...
9 posted on 10/12/2005 7:05:38 AM PDT by Dallas59 (“You love life, while we love death.” - Al-Qaeda / Democratic Party)
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Hopefully he is turning into a mummy somewhere deep inside a mountain valley, and will be dug up by a group of excited archaeologists a couple of millenia later.:)

10 posted on 10/12/2005 7:06:50 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The Goat Whisperer might be gone?


11 posted on 10/12/2005 7:07:53 AM PDT by Deguello
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To: Deguello
Re #11

If anybody whispers with bad breath, it is not going to calm down any beast, including goat. It would feel an unstoppable urge to ram him at the groin.:)

12 posted on 10/12/2005 7:10:52 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

There's a line in the book Dune that goes something like "Don't believe reports about your enemy being dead until you see his body in front of you. And even then, don't be totally sure."

Good advice on Bin Laden.


13 posted on 10/12/2005 7:11:08 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

I suspect this media talk will bait him into releasing another topical tape soon.


14 posted on 10/12/2005 7:15:44 AM PDT by Dixiekraut (Convey)
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To: Dog

One more in the continuing Elvis Bin Laden saga.


15 posted on 10/12/2005 7:18:14 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Osama Bin Laden Al Khanzier)
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To: Dixiekraut

If it doesn't that means we just wait, and still not assume.


16 posted on 10/12/2005 7:27:37 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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If bin Laden died, the world may never know.

You mean like what happened in Tora Bora in December 2001?

17 posted on 10/12/2005 7:30:25 AM PDT by b4its2late (If you can remain calm, you just don't have all the facts.)
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To: b4its2late

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner.


18 posted on 10/12/2005 7:58:02 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Osama Bin Laden Al Khanzier)
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To: Dallas59

Dallas: I think you've been thinking about--maybe fantasizing about--this for awhile!


19 posted on 10/12/2005 8:24:49 AM PDT by Lou L
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To: Lou L

Sept 13, 2001...


20 posted on 10/12/2005 8:38:26 AM PDT by Dallas59 (“You love life, while we love death.” - Al-Qaeda / Democratic Party)
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