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1 posted on 10/10/2005 10:35:50 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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2 posted on 10/10/2005 10:37:52 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

We voted Republicans in control of EVERYTHING. We shouldn't have to be listing hopeful reasons she'll be OK.


3 posted on 10/10/2005 10:39:28 PM PDT by DC Bound (Bono? Santorum? How did Rove do that?)
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4 posted on 10/10/2005 10:40:12 PM PDT by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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5 posted on 10/10/2005 10:40:12 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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You assume she will even know which way on any given question is a principled conservative position. No, she will vote with Scalia a few dozen times, then hear other opinions from squishes in the middle on the court, and try to split the differences between them. Then she will get a few gushing articles in the NYT and discover "strange new respect". It takes intellectual steel to stand up to compromising sophists year after year and issue after issue, with every blandishment of fame held out the other way, and near universal scorn the wage of virtue. There is no evidence this woman can think her way out of a paper bag, let alone that her mind is made of such steel.
6 posted on 10/10/2005 10:41:24 PM PDT by JasonC
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Hoping she may just possibly turn out OK wasn't the fundraising campaign strategy this time last year, as I recall.

"Vote for me, and I'll nominate a crony you've never heard of, because I'm a-skeered of Jim Jeffords and Olympia Snowe!"

Nope. Don't recall that.

8 posted on 10/10/2005 10:42:00 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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OK, here's my comment. You have laid out precisely the reasons that I am willing to support her nomination, because I trust President Bush to know what he is doing, and he knows this nominee! I think we'll find out that President Bush has indeed been misunderestimated again.

You have also opened yourself up for a lot of flak, but I'm sure you already knew that! ;p

9 posted on 10/10/2005 10:42:13 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (I support President Bush, and I support our troops!!!)
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I wonder if the 2000 and 2004 elections would have come out different, if GWB had said, regarding SCOTUS nominations, "If I am elected, I will nominate competent people from my circle of associates to fill SCOTUS. THey will not legislate from the bench, but will interpret the Constitution as the framers indended."

Because the answer to that illuminates whether or not he can be trusted.

12 posted on 10/10/2005 10:43:49 PM PDT by Cboldt
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I HOPE you're right...but I didn't want to HOPE. I wanted a court full of Scalias and Thomases.


16 posted on 10/10/2005 10:47:40 PM PDT by RockinRight (I am beginning to think conservatism is buried somewhere under New Orleans mud...)
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Politics has often been compared to sausage-making.

Purists like Ralph Nader don't like sausage BECAUSE of what's in it; I like sausage DESPITE what's in it.

The RINOs in the Senate make this appointment necessary. I don't think anyone is ecstatic about this choice, not even the ones here condemned as BushBots.

Don't like it? Hope for no more openings before next year's elections and campaign for more trustworthy Senate candidates - anything less is useless mewling.

http://www.modernvertebrate.com/elections/2006-national/
18 posted on 10/10/2005 10:51:23 PM PDT by decal (Mother Nature and Real Life are conservatives; the Progs have never figured this out.)
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Well, you may be right Lancey, but I'm having some trouble reconciling your post of yesterday where the nomination made you "sick to your stomach", with your flipflop of today. Feeling better?
25 posted on 10/10/2005 10:56:04 PM PDT by Swampmarine
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I respect your reasoning on the Miers nomination. I will still withhold my opinion until the judiciary hearings. I'm leaning towards support for her, but won't make a commitment until I have more info. AWB
27 posted on 10/10/2005 10:56:29 PM PDT by Americanwolfsbrother (Don't hate on someone for using their mind.)
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All I can say about this woman is, if she turns out to be another ginsberg, the Republican Party is going to take a severe beating.

Nobody knows the future, only time will tell who is right and who is tossed out of office.


31 posted on 10/10/2005 10:58:50 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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The point is, Miers knows exactly what kind of judge George W. Bush wants: "A strict constructionist in the mold of Scalia and Thomas". Miers presumably used that very clear criteria during the vetting processes which she handled.

And use it to prep herself perhaps? This argument is very odd indeed. Because she knew what Bush wanted does not make her qualified in and of itself. Shucks, Ted Kennedy knows what Bush wanted.... (shiver).

2. Harriet Miers may be a very good lawyer (in fact, I'm sure she is) but her familiarity with constitutional law is likely very scant,

And this matters how?

Who is to over-rule her? Familarity with past ruleings only matters when you are are in a position to be overruled by a higher authority.

Besides I point out, this familairity with constitutional law has not stood us in very good stead with the liberal judges on the bench. Maybe someone who actually reads the constitution rather than what some prior liberal judge wrote about it will bring back the intrepetation that its supposed to have?

I mention this as a point of discussion, and have not made up my mind on Meirs yet - waiting for the hearings...

33 posted on 10/10/2005 10:59:09 PM PDT by konaice
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To: Lancey Howard

1. Trust Bush
2. Trust Bush
3. Trust Bush

Can we have a reason that doesn't amount to that? Can we use our independent reasoning skills to support this nominee one bit? I sure haven't seen it.


37 posted on 10/10/2005 11:01:51 PM PDT by Betaille ("Ms. Miers's record is one of supporting a conservative position and then abandoning it." -John Fund)
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Nicely written Lancey. I share the reservations of most about this woman, but refuse to participate in this public crucifixion before we know more about her or the chicken little nonsense about the conservative movement on the wane.


43 posted on 10/10/2005 11:07:45 PM PDT by Lexinom
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I guess it's pretty disappointing to know that a noncloseted conservative is not allowed to be on the Supreme Court, but a ACLU head counsel can be on the court 96-3. And even with a sizable Republlican majority in the Senate, the House, and the presidency, Republicans still have to beg for their scraps like Oliver Twist. But even if leftists only have 20% of the country agreeing with them, they operate from a position of power. I guess it is kind of depressing to think, someone who thinks like I do is not allowed to be in this country, but someone who thinks it's very important to defend a bunch of Nazis marching is.


47 posted on 10/10/2005 11:14:07 PM PDT by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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Lancey, it's a crap shoot on Miers.
48 posted on 10/10/2005 11:14:31 PM PDT by afnamvet
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To: Lancey Howard

Thanks for trying to cheer us up! :D


52 posted on 10/10/2005 11:16:50 PM PDT by BamaGirl (The Framers Rule!)
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To: Lancey Howard
Regarding your reason number one. Harriet Miers was involved in the nomination of one of the Appeals Court Justices. Ms. Miers has been the Counsel of the President since February 3, 2005. Previous to that date Alberto Gonzalez held that position. On February 14, 2005, the President nominated 12 people to the U,S. Circuit Courts. Of those 12, 11 were renominations that had not been acted on by the Senate and all had been vetted by Gonzales.

(Terrence W. Boyle (Fourth Circuit): Originally nominated 9/4/2001

Janice R. Brown (D.C. Circuit): Originally nominated 7/25/2003

Richard A. Griffin (Sixth Circuit): Originally nominated 6/26/2002

Thomas B. Griffith (D.C. Circuit): Originally nominated 5/10/2004

Brett M. Kavanaugh (D.C. Circuit): Originally nominated 7/25/2003

David W. McKeague (Sixth Circuit): Originally nominated 11/8/2001

William G. Myers (Ninth Circuit): Originally nominated 5/15/2003

Susan B. Neilson (Sixth Circuit): Originally nominated 11/8/2001

Priscilla R. Owen (Fifth Circuit): Originally nominated 9/4/2001

William H. Pryor (Eleventh Circuit): Originally nominated 4/9/2003

Henry W. Saad (Sixth Circuit): Originally nominated 11/8/2001)

Since then, the President has placed one additional name into nomination, on September 29, 2005 (James Hardy Payne to the 10th Circuit in Oklahoma.

As to point 2, there is more secondhand evidence that she's a mediocre lawyer than there is secondhand evidence that she's a good one. Conservative lawyers involved in briefing her for the position as Counsel to the President quickly became disillusioned as to her competence and recommended finding a strong deputy counsel. Chief of Staff Andy Card was of the same opinion and again, secondhand evidence suggests he is the primary force involved in getting her promoted, since he can't fire her because she's protected by the President and First Lady. By promoting her, he gets to try and hire someone competent to replace her. (Admittedly, this is secondhand evidence and could be completely wrong....but it's also only second and third hand evidence that we've been given in support of her...and a significant proportion of that comes from someone who turns out to be her lover.)

As to point 3, I can very easily imagine just what you propose. That is why actually having a judicial philosophy is so important since it grounds the way in which you interpret the Constitution. The way you've portrayed Harriet Miers (and the way she's been portrayed in all of the 2nd and 3rd person accounts we've all read) she supposedly adores the President. It also means she's malleable. She is influenced by the people with whom she associates. We don't need another follower on the Court. The President will be gone from Washington in 3 years. After that, his influence on her will be minimal. Who fills that void? Given the culture in Washington, it's nearly a given she will drift quickly to the left. It's almost exactly what happened with Sandra Day O'Connor. She was reasonably conservative....until Reagan left office.....then she began her drift to lala land, picking and choosing which parts of the Constitution she likes and those that she doesn't (which again, is what happens when your interpretation of the Constitution isn't grounded in a firm philosophy).

54 posted on 10/10/2005 11:21:48 PM PDT by MarcusTulliusCicero
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