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Who’s Your Daddy? Who are a child’s parents?
National Catholic Register ^ | October 5, 2005 | Eve Tushnet

Posted on 10/05/2005 1:43:35 PM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 10/05/2005 1:43:38 PM PDT by NYer
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“Though it is true that sometimes it is lawful to tolerate a lesser moral evil in order to avoid a greater evil or in order to promote a greater good," it is never lawful, even for the gravest reasons, to do evil that good may come of it (18)—in other words, to intend directly something which of its very nature contradicts the moral order, and which must therefore be judged unworthy of man, even though the intention is to protect or promote the welfare of an individual, of a family or of society in general.”

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2 posted on 10/05/2005 1:45:09 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer
Parent is person who raises child.

Biology is inconsequential, unless we are merely animals.

Sperm and egg donors ought have no right whatsoever and should be subject to jail if later they try to contact the children against parent's wishes.

3 posted on 10/05/2005 1:46:36 PM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: NYer

Makes perfect sense.


4 posted on 10/05/2005 1:47:50 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: tallhappy

Don't we have biblical examples like moses to look to to extrapolate how such situations should be viewed?


5 posted on 10/05/2005 1:49:59 PM PDT by x5452
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To: NYer
sorry always think of this movie when they start talking about sperm donors and other people raising children, paying people to have your kids...

6 posted on 10/05/2005 1:52:47 PM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: tallhappy
Sperm and egg donors ought have no right whatsoever and should be subject to jail if later they try to contact the children against parent's wishes.

There is a natural curiosity on the part of most children to know "who they are". Not long ago, one of the MSM morning programs invited on a single parent and her teen daughter. The daughter was the product of donor insemination and wanted to "know" her father. Finally, the camera shot to a monitor on which was her biological father, his wife and their child. The girl learned that her large feet were from her dad. She was so happy to finally meet her father. In the course of their "live" conversation, she learned that she had 1000+ siblings.

7 posted on 10/05/2005 1:55:59 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer

That's just wrong.


8 posted on 10/05/2005 1:58:23 PM PDT by Jaded (Hell sometimes has fluorescent lighting and a trumpet.)
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To: NYer

That would be weird. What if you were to find out you ended up marrying one of your 1000 half-siblings? I mean, that's a LOT of people and you wouldn't really know unless you researched the other person.


9 posted on 10/05/2005 2:04:03 PM PDT by RockinRight (Why are there so many RINOs?)
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To: tallhappy
Parent is person who raises child.

exactly.

Biology is inconsequential, unless we are merely animals.

not quite - it'd be very good to include the genetci donor's medical history, as well as that of his/her family lineage. This is medically important for the child, but has no mopral weight, and confers no shade of a parental right on a third-party donor.

Sperm and egg donors ought have no right whatsoever and should be subject to jail if later they try to contact the children against parent's wishes.

agreed.

10 posted on 10/05/2005 2:09:04 PM PDT by King Prout (19sep05 - I want at least 2 Saiga-12 shotguns. If you have leads, let me know)
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To: King Prout
Why don't we just simplify things and allow the sale of children under ... say ... one year ... cna you say ...selfish ...and selfcentered?
11 posted on 10/05/2005 2:21:26 PM PDT by THEUPMAN (#### comment deleted by moderator)
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To: x5452
We have the Biblical example of St. Joseph to care for infant Jesus.

But subverting God's Law and Natural Law beneath individual desires has produced social chaos. Now, we have examples in the present horror of perverted selfish domination mislabeled "parenting" by homosexual couples. The children are not to be blamed.

As painful as it is, Christ can heal such wounds.
12 posted on 10/05/2005 2:27:19 PM PDT by SaltyJoe (A mother's sorrowful heart and personal sacrifice redeems her lost child's soul.)
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To: tallhappy
"Sperm and egg donors ought have no right whatsoever and should be subject to jail if later they try to contact the children against parent's wishes."

And they should not be asked for child support.

13 posted on 10/05/2005 2:49:29 PM PDT by lstanle
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To: x5452
Don't we have biblical examples like moses to look to to extrapolate how such situations should be viewed?

Why, yes, we do.

A few years ago two doctors told us that our daughter (now 13) would probably be sterile. Only God knows if this is true, but I would never deny my daughter motherhood. We've already talked to her about the possibility that she may never be able to bear children (trying to prepare her) and I've vowed to bear her child for if it's necessary. I pray that it won't be. (I'd hate for her to miss the joys of pregnancy, but if she can't bear her own children, at least she can raise them.)

I don't think that we've planning anything immoral or against God or nature. It's an act of love on my part and trust on her's.

14 posted on 10/05/2005 3:09:41 PM PDT by Marie (After 6 years of planning and working for the goal, I am now a TEXAN!! Woo-hoo!)
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To: THEUPMAN

eh?


15 posted on 10/05/2005 3:11:25 PM PDT by King Prout (19sep05 - I want at least 2 Saiga-12 shotguns. If you have leads, let me know)
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To: NYer

Interesting post.

But, the replies are much more interesting . . .

Makes me want to pick a fight with everybody. :-)


16 posted on 10/05/2005 3:13:02 PM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: Marie
I'd hate for her to miss the joys of pregnancy

You're joking, right?

17 posted on 10/05/2005 4:09:56 PM PDT by Tax-chick (When bad things happen, conservatives get over it!)
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To: RockinRight; Racehorse; Jaded; Coleus; John O; Hermann the Cherusker
What if you were to find out you ended up marrying one of your 1000 half-siblings? I mean, that's a LOT of people and you wouldn't really know unless you researched the other person.

An excellent point! What if?!

In 1968, Pope Paul VI issued his landmark encyclical letter Humanae Vitae (Latin, "Human Life"), which reemphasized the Church’s constant teaching that it is always intrinsically wrong to use artificial birth control—contraception—to prevent new human beings from coming into existence.

Few realize that up until 1930, all Protestant denominations agreed with the Catholic Church’s teaching condemning contraception as sinful. At its 1930 Lambeth Conference, the Anglican church, swayed by growing social pressure, announced that contraception would be allowed in some circumstances. Soon the Anglican church completely caved in, allowing contraception across the board. Since then, all other Protestant denominations have followed suit. Today, the Catholic Church alone proclaims the historic Christian position on contraception.

But what does this have to do with this particular article? Plenty! This Encyclical was almost prophetic in projecting the other implications arising from man's desire to control how, when, where, why and how he procreated. As Pope Paul VI notes,

It could well happen, therefore, that when people, either individually or in family or social life, experience the inherent difficulties of the divine law and are determined to avoid them, they may give into the hands of public authorities the power to intervene in the most personal and intimate responsibility of husband and wife.
HUMANAE VITAE

Modern science has enabled those who choose to follow its path, the 'opportunity' to reproduce on their own terms.

As an adoptee and an adoptive parent, let me assure you that just being a good parent is not enough. There is far more to our personal identification than simply being raised by "good parents". There is a natural, normal and inherent need to know who we are, how we came to be, why we are here and what we inherited. Last year my daughter set off in search of her biological parents, with my support and prayers. The encounter was not what she expected but, in the process, she was able to connect with her biological heritage and that meant a lot to her.

If you have never read Pope Paul VI's Encyclical, I have posted the link above. Read it to gain a better understanding of just why these 'modern day' technologies reduce current and future generations to nothing more than an experiment in human reproduction.

18 posted on 10/05/2005 4:37:38 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer

Very good point. And many moral theologians in retrospect believe that the Lambeth Conference was the beginning of the "culture of death", the decline of the family and Christian morality. Once you cross the line and say the creation of human life is not subject to the natural law of God, but to man's own desires, all human life loses it's inherent sanctity. It's just a continuum from contraception to sperm donorship to surrogate motherhood to abortion. The Catholic Church opposes all of these because they are against the intrinsic moral order natural to mankind, regardless of religion.


19 posted on 10/05/2005 5:00:31 PM PDT by baa39
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To: tallhappy
Whose Their Daddy?
We are.The taxpayers are going to support all the babies without real daddy's or daddy's who are not accountable for their children.
20 posted on 10/05/2005 5:08:19 PM PDT by ricoshea
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