Posted on 09/30/2005 2:09:51 PM PDT by truthfinder9
> You are apparently incapable of open minded logical thought.
This means nothing coming from you.
> Is there something in it worth reading?
Nothing beyond ignorance of just what exactly a "theory" entails. Given that "theory" has been explained innumerable times on these threads, the only conclusion that can be drawn is that "porkchops 4 mahound" is intentionally trying to sound rather uneducated for some reason.
I sometimes wonder if you are just a bot like Eliza, programmed to take statements and turn them around.
To have a theory or hypothesis, you have to predict something that is different or unexpected by the prevailing theories.
This is apparentyly why the bacterial flagellum was chosen as the poster child for irreducible complexity. Unfortunately it isn't irreducible.
Is there anything at all that would make or break the ID hypothesis?
ID does claim to do so (whether or not it actually does, I don't know). It says that there are features of living organisms that can not be accounted for by naturalistic processes. Either they can or they can't.
As always... incorrect.
Then you're contradicting yourself. At #537, you were asked by another poster why you thought he was advocating ID, and you replied, "You've come out against evolution. There are few other options." You then confirmed at #540 that Darwinism and ID are the only two options that can even remotely be worth contemplating at all.
So for all intents and purposes, you've defined Darwin's theory as the proposition that ID is false. In other words, what I said that you quoted above, is indeed correct, according to the logic you've laid down.
Could you elaborate on that?
(joke, kidding...)
To have a theory or hypothesis, you have to predict something that is different or unexpected by the prevailing theories.
How about just plain unaccountable for by prevailing theories? There's a difference there, because any proponent of a theory looking at a result can always say, "Oh yeah, my theory predicts that." The question is whether that claim is actually true. ID proponents claim that there are features of living organisms that can't be accounted for by Darwinism. I'm not here to defend that claim, but merely to establish that it's a scientifically resolvable question.
OUT OF THE PARK!!
They are defending their supernatural theory (metaphysical theory) with the vigor of all of the religious zealots who ever lived. Hahahaha
bttt
> Then you're contradicting yourself.
Nope. The claim was made that all Darwinism was was the a priori assumption of no superanturalism. Darwinism is far mroe than that. That initial assumption is one of the first steps, but it's hardly the sum total as you seem to be suggesting.
> you've defined Darwin's theory as the proposition that ID is false.
Incorrect, as usual. ID is bad/nonexistent science, but Darwinism is far more than that. ID, on the other hand, is very little more than "I don't like Darwinism."
For an engineer, you don't seem to have too good a grasp on basic mathematical axioms. If A is defined as "not B", then B has to equal "not A".
> If A is defined as "not B", then B has to equal "not A".
Which, of course, is irrelevant.
Sorry, too busy dealing with reality to deal with your dreams of uncausality.
Look: it's clear to me that you are uninterested in a rational debate, since all you've done with this one is twist things out of all reckognition. So, here's your chance for a final word. Knock yourself out.
High praise indeed coming from a "SCIENTIFIC" poser such a yourself.
Your "debating skills" remain less than optimum.
You're obviously a victim of the public education system.
"How does Intelligent Design explain how bacteria develop antibiotic resistance?"
Both design and evolution agree its microevolution. It's in the genetic code for such changes to occur, but no code to turn into a compleltely new organism. Oh yeah, design tells us the common sense that the information in DNA is designed.
" How does it explain the existence of the vermiform appendix?"
HAven't you heard? Science found uses for the appendix years ago.
"And if science courses should give "equal time" to a religious theory,"
Well, its not a religious theory any more than evolution is. Scientific theories always have religious implications. Get over it.
Devolution makes more sense of the data we have than evolution - evolution assumes greater complexity comes by so called natural selection - but the evidence in creation shows a lessening of the diversity of creatures not an increase in that diversity - we see millions of extinct creatures but not millions of evolved creatures from these so a coming away from original types of creatures rather than a diveresity - or if one wants to assume the diversity we see was in the dna of the original creatures and did not require mutations one can do that but one thing we have NEVER observed under the microscope is a mutated gene bringing about a good thing for a creature.
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