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To: Petronski
One could just as easily have said you could abort all children and prevent all crime

This is the SAME problem. He is arguing that you should ignore economic and other rationale, if it leads to doing something morally wrong. He believes abortion is morally wrong. So his argument is that even if doing abortions would be economically HELPFUL, we shouldn't do them.

His EXAMPLE therefore is one where he accepts the premise of the truthfulness of the "benefit", in order to say that even though it would be a benefit, we shouldn't do it because the act of abortion is wrong.

And what is his "truthful benefit"? He says that you could eliminate all crime if you got rid of all blacks.

THAT is, in an of itself, a racist comment, even if he will then say that "But even though you could eliminate all crime, you shouldn't abort the black babies".

Aborting the black babies would NOT ELIMINATE ALL CRIME. His example is actually one of a FALSE benefit. He wasn't ARGUING FALSE benefits, he was arguing TRUE BENEFITS.

Like it or not, Benett has now SAID, and has REPEATED, and has even PHRASED IN A DIFFERENT WAY, the racist comment that all crime is caused by blacks, or that crime is predominantly a problem because of blacks, and that if we just got rid of all blacks, crime would either go away, or be reduced in a measurable way.

Sanger wanted abortions to cleanse the races. She was wrong on TWO COUNTS. First that we should ever abort -- because abortion is evil. Second that cleansing the race is a good thing, IT IS NOT. Bennett's statement is like saying that Sanger was RIGHT that cleansing the race would be a good thing, but THAT doesn't justify the evil of Abortion.

And I'm guessing that none of us would support that position.

Bennett needs to apologize for suggesting that skin color alone is a factor in whether a person will be a criminal or not. Because that is what he said -- he said eliminating black babies would eliminate a source of crime.

So, how many people here think that, based solely on the color of a baby's skin, you can predict whether that baby will grow up to be a criminal.

In other words, do you believe blacks are genetically predisposed to crime, or do you rather believe that blacks commit more crime because of the circumstances of their lives (peer pressure, upbringing, leaders telling them they are oppressed, etc.). Because if you believe the 2nd, then you can't believe that aborting all the black babies would have any effect on crime -- those leaders would find another class of people to subjugate to their will.

I went real long here, but I just am having trouble fathoming how so many people seem to be OK with claiming that crime is a genetic trait of a race of people.

77 posted on 09/30/2005 8:12:40 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I went real long here, but I just am having trouble fathoming how so many people seem to be OK with claiming that crime is a genetic trait of a race of people.

I'm not okay with it. I'm just posting it here to enrich the record.

79 posted on 09/30/2005 8:17:02 AM PDT by Petronski (I thank God for Cyborg.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I don't think Blacks or Whites are genetically pre-disposed to crime any more than I think you were pre-disposed to putting your foot in your mouth. It takes training to become a complete crook, just like it takes training to know when to write something that shows one's disposition. If you had listened, or even read, Bennett's statement on this, and not just the "snippets" given in the MSM, then you would know damned good and well what he said, and exactly what he meant when saying it.I cannot understand people running into the closet when the dims come calling, I'm not an apoligist for Bill Bennett, nor do I think he has a racist bone in his body. I suggest you read his books and listen to what he says, maybe you won't be so quick to pull the trigger on him. I hope he keeps letting it all hang out, as I think we need it as a country!


90 posted on 09/30/2005 9:45:16 AM PDT by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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