Posted on 09/26/2005 7:39:51 AM PDT by XR7
BTTT
"What if the US had allowed NORIEGA to remain in power in Panama?"
Assuming that we also hadn't indicted him or placed banking sanctions on panama, it would probably be much as it was in 1985. You gotta wonder if a military government would have been more helpful in actually trying to negotiate continued use of Howard AFB and/or Fort Sherman.
Outstanding!
fantastic!
And they welcome Castro with open arms when he visits America...
"communist Stalin to reign supreme?"
It is notable in all fairness that we allowed him all of slavic europe and a part of germany and austria.
"What if the US had allowed NORIEGA to remain in power in Panama?"
He'd have missed out on hearing Nancy Sinatra being played over CIA loudspeakers at 1,500 decibels.
That in an of itself was worth surrendering for. ;)
Truth and excellence; my two favorite combinations.
BUMP!
My only complaint with the article is the there is one thing more precious than peace: freedom. He actually proves this point but fails to state it outright.
Fantastic column!
Carter still gave it to his favorite people COMMUNIST chinese.
Carter should be number one on the list for charges of TREASON and murder followed closely by clinton.
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Don't the Chinese basically control the canal?
Also, if you want to play geo-political What-If, its wise to do this an awareness of something larger than a exclusively US perspective.
For example there is a persistent strain of conservative opinion in England not by any means a majority, but a minority opinion which run down from the later 1930s right to the present , held by entirely respectable and respected politicians and historians (at least in England) - that London woud have done much better to have made a separate peace with Hitler (or at last seriously threatened to do so when bargaining for US aid) than to have exited WWII an economic vassal of the US.
(And please - dont argue the point with me, I'm not the one making the argument.)
This view is of course anathema it conservatives here, but its worth remembering that our view of such matters for example that Hitler and Stalin were irrational and unique evils - is not universal even amongst those we consider our natural political and ideological allies elesewhere.
There are two forms of peace: the peace that comes as a result of capitulation and enslavement and the peace that comes after the war is won. I prefer the latter to the former.
" Don't the Chinese basically control the canal?"
This is urban myth which is treated as fact by some here on FR.
Hutchinson Whampoa controls Balboa and Cristobal ports. H-W apparently tried to get the berths at the former Rodman naval station also but was unable to. It is generally accepted that H-W won the bidding for the Balboa and Cristobal port lease corruptly (surprise, this is latin america). It is often stated that H-W has ties or is close to the PRC, which obviously it has to be to some degree.
The successor entity to the Panama Canal Commission controls all canal operations, and is directly controlled (and owned) by the panama government., with substantially the same workforce it had at turnover in 1999.
"Carter still gave it to his favorite people COMMUNIST chinese. "
Ok, I will bite. How do the chinese control the canal, canal operations, canal territory, canal employees, canal administration or any of the above in any way?
A lot can be said about the chinese in panama (mainly the large level of illegal or corruptly allowed immigration and the semi-closed chinese sub-economy that has been created, along with the attendant problems of organized crime, etc), but this ongoing stuff about the chinese canal needs to either be substantiated or dispelled.
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