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1 posted on 09/25/2005 10:31:39 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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Arlen will discover what he chooses to discover.


2 posted on 09/25/2005 10:32:39 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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bttt


3 posted on 09/25/2005 10:33:36 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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Any system that can go up to seven layers of seperation would be very threatening to people like the Clintons.

I wonder if any of the thugs BC pardoned at the end of his presidency ended up on any list.

4 posted on 09/25/2005 10:34:21 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Mary Landrieu, just another "New Orleans Lady")
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Article fails to highlight PROBABLE coverup inside 9/11 Commission, conflict of interest by Gorelick, involvement of DoD lawyers, and shutdown by Generals.

And fails to mention destruction of the data, by dubious orders.

IMO Rumsfeld took a breather, to get up to speed on what may be revealed about the previous administration's role.

Hopefully the RESULT will lay out a firm basis for the position that democrats can't be trusted with our national security.

Like Specter or not, he is an experienced guy, and I see no reason why he would short circuit this. Biden may also see political advantage in making himself the democrat that called it as he saw it, therefore can be trusted.


12 posted on 09/25/2005 11:35:33 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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As much as Arlen goes hot and cold on conservative issues I have to give him an "A" for closing the initial hearing and telling the Asst Secretary of Defense that the hearing was done and that the next time they convened he wanted someone from the DOD to come with answers because he wasn't giving the committee any answers.


14 posted on 09/26/2005 12:42:11 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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Time to get rid of the PC a-holes that keep our country in the dark about terrorism.
17 posted on 09/26/2005 3:27:35 AM PDT by rodguy911 (Time to get rid of the UN and the ACLU and all Mosques in the US,UK.)
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Ol Arlene will cover it up with his kilt!


19 posted on 09/26/2005 3:46:57 AM PDT by M-cubed
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The Suicide Ethos Regulations were not the reason Able Danger intelligence was purged. Andrew McCarthy After the worst domestic attack in the history of the United States, the constant refrain was that "9/11 changed everything." All "walls" were taken down. Intelligence agents and criminal investigators — until then hindered from cooperating — were now to work hand-in-hand. National security was in. Obsession over imaginary civil-rights violations was out. The message was clear: Gather all the information, get it into the right hands, and connect all the dots. Well it looks like the memo never made its way over to the Pentagon. In mid-2000, the Department of Defense (DoD) intentionally purged a gargantuan amount of intelligence about al Qaeda — the enemy that had just blown up our embassies in east Africa and was even then scheming to bomb a navy destroyer in Yemen. The materials were generated by the "Able Danger" program, which attempted to map al Qaeda by sophisticated data mining. Although that program was itself highly classified, it drew mostly on open-source (i.e., non-classified) information. According to participants, the effort yielded leads that might have uncovered the 9/11 plot if diligently followed. Regardless of the ultimate resolution of the controversy over whether Mohamed Atta and three other hijackers were identified by Able Danger long before the attacks, there is no defending the destruction of valuable data. Nonetheless, that's just what DoD is trying to do. And central to this dismaying effort, four years out from 9/11, is the revival — as if it ever really went away — of the spirit (or, better, dispirit) that pervaded the Justice Department in the bad old days of "the wall." Specifically, to justify what happened in 2000, DoD is today reading regulations that readily permit effective intelligence analysis as if acquiring information and, God forbid, sharing it, are the gravest of sins. I use "reading" with hesitation. For it's hard to understand how anyone literate in the English language could read the governing regulations to say what the Pentagon is reading them to say. The Able Danger team members who claim to have identified terrorists and to have been thwarted in their efforts to share their information with the FBI are generally well-respected. Yet, top Defense officials publicly cast doubt on their credibility for weeks, insisting that no corroborating documentation had been found despite what was described as an "aggressive" internal investigation. Finally on September 1, after the number of Able Danger participants supporting the Atta allegation had grown to five, the Pentagon called a news conference, at which a handful of mid-level officials were given the uncomfy task of confessing that much of the documentation generated by the program had actually been destroyed. Intentionally. Over five years ago. Understand what this entailed. Erik Kleinsmith, a retired army major who was directed to carry out the purge in mid-2000, told the Senate Judiciary Committee at a hearing last Wednesday that he and a colleague "were forced to destroy all the data, charts, and other analytical products that we had not already passed on to [the Special Operations Command] related to Able Danger." Congressman Curt Weldon, who has been the prime mover behind the startling Able Danger revelations, elaborated that the breadth of deleted data was 2.5 terabytes — a staggering amount that would fill several rooms. Why? Purportedly because of regulations. Here's how the matter was put by Pat Downs, a senior policy analyst who was among those dispatched to take the media heat at the press conference (emphasis is mine): There are regulations. At the time how they were interpreted, very strictly pre-9/11, for destruction of information which is embedded, I guess is the way I would say it, that would contain any information on U.S. persons. In a major data mining effort like this you're reaching out to a lot of open source and within that there could be a lot of information on U.S. persons. We're not allowed to collect that type of information. So there are strict regulations about collection, dissemination, destruction procedures for this type of information. And we know that that did happen in the case of Able Danger documentation. This is abject nonsense. The Pentagon is allowed to collect information on U.S. persons. Indeed, the very regulations Ms. Downs was referring to — Army Regulation 381-10, which is a regurgitation of DoD Regulation 5240.1-R — say so explicitly. Moreover, contrary to this gibberish, when language is "interpreted very strictly," that means you limit yourself to doing exactly what it says — no rhythm, no wiggle room, no going the extra mile. A "strict interpretation" does not mean something which says "you may do this" is somehow read as if it said "you may not do this." Unless of course, we are back to the antinomian heyday of Clintonism (when the purge at issue, not coincidentally, took place) — talking points in hand as we ask what the definition of "is" is. DoD refused to permit any of the Able Danger witnesses to testify before the Judiciary Committee (although it has now asked for a second chance, and Chairman Arlen Specter has agreed to hold a second hearing on October 5). The Pentagon did, however, send to last Wednesday's hearing William Dugan, Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's Acting Assistant for Intelligence Oversight. Though not in a position to weigh in on Able Danger, Dugan is well-versed in the intelligence oversight regulations and the spirit in which they have been enforced lo these many years. His testimony proved to be an alarming eye-opener. First, Dugan made clear that, under the law, the term "U.S. person" essentially means an American citizen or a lawful permanent resident alien (i.e., a greencard holder) — or an organization dominated by either. It most certainly does not include al Qaeda (a global terror network) or people like Mohamed Atta, who may have been in the country legally but most surely were not lawful permanent residents. Let that sink in for a second. The rules that the Pentagon keeps talking about are aimed at regulating what information DoD may collect on U.S. persons. But if we are not dealing with U.S. persons, these regulations do not apply. There is no problem with the Pentagon collecting or keeping such intelligence. In other words, the regulations were not even germane, much less determinative of an obligation to throw out boatloads of data about our enemies. But let's play along for a moment. Let's pretend that al Qaeda and Atta were somehow U.S. persons, or that it was necessary, in the course of investigating them, to capture information about actual U.S. persons. Even under those circumstances, there was absolutely no problem under the regulations for the military to have gathered, maintained or disseminated this information. As Dugan acknowledged, there is no component of military intelligence that has a mission to spy on U.S. persons. He observed, nevertheless, that DoD has several intelligence missions that are critical to national security, "such as foreign intelligence, counterintelligence, counterterrorism, signals intelligence, and the like." In the Information Era, the world is increasingly small. Thus, in the course of carrying out those missions, it frequently happens that DoD intelligence services will incidentally capture information about U.S. persons. Does that mean these services need to shed that information, even if it could be vital to our safety? Of course not. The whole point of the governing regulations is to allow the military to keep intelligence that might save American lives. Read the whole thing ... http://nationalreview.com/mccarthy/mccarthy200509260809.asp
21 posted on 09/26/2005 7:44:48 AM PDT by sono
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"Able Danger has served as the basis for the latest flap surrounding the September 11 attacks. But there is a real possibility Mr. Specter's interest in it will have some larger and longer-lasting effects on our nation's security. For example, our ability to responsibly and effectively use all the information our government has about the threat from terrorism, whether "intelligence" or not, is essential."

This is quite true. The combination of data warehousing and artificial intelligence, represented by able danger is one of the most powerful tools available to corporations and has been for some time.

The CIA and FBI, however, did not like to use these tools. the reason they give for this is that they prefer to use only classified information. This is another way of saying, they are stupid. However, frankly, these people have been acting stupid for too long. I believe rather that these organizations are primarily under the control of traitors.


27 posted on 09/26/2005 11:28:05 AM PDT by strategofr (What did happen to those 293 boxes of secret FBI files (esp on Senators) Hillary stole?)
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