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CA: Governor: Ballot is for 'big stuff'
Orange County Register ^ | Wednesday, September 21, 2005 | SORAYA SARHADDI NELSON and HANH KIM QUACH The Orange County Register

Posted on 09/21/2005 1:12:35 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Governor: Ballot is for 'big stuff'

Gridlock in Legislature requires bold ideas to be taken to the people, he says.

PUSH FOR LIMITS: Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, in an interview with the Register, says Prop. 76 is key to avoiding future deficits.

(Excerpt) Read more at ocregister.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: authority; calinitiatives; prop76; schwarzenegger; taxes
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1 posted on 09/21/2005 1:12:39 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I agree with Arnold that the ballot is for "big stuff." The voters should decide.


2 posted on 09/21/2005 1:18:11 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: hsalaw

Are the courts ready to accept the results? It seem California has always led the way with Ballot initiatives, but has a heck of a time implementing them.


3 posted on 09/21/2005 2:09:27 PM PDT by lawnguy (It works Napoleon, you don't even know.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I wanna know how the anti-Arnie ilk are gonna try to sabotage it. For the good of conservatism, of course ...
4 posted on 09/21/2005 2:11:22 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: lawnguy

Too true.


5 posted on 09/21/2005 2:12:28 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Very interesting that state wide ballot initiatives always skew to the right because they reflect the actual will of the people (registered voters).

Because of the "rotten borough" phenomenon the votes in the legislatures skew to the left. Because the legislators' districts are full of illegals but all bodies on the ground apparently are counted as the each district's population.

Ending the counting of non-citizens in legislative districts needs to be on the conservative agenda. Of course deporting illegals and enforcing the borders makes it a moot point.

Anyway just thought I'd post this info for anyone wondering why the ballot initiatives always reflect a more conservative populace than one is otherwise led to believe is out there in the hinterlands.

It's completely outrageous that non-voting illegal foreigners can skew the legislative process like they have in California. They are robbing conservative US citizens of their voting rights every single day by pushing the legislature to the left.

6 posted on 09/21/2005 2:46:35 PM PDT by XpandTheEkonomy
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; NormsRevenge; Carry_Okie; SierraWasp; Amerigomag; Czar; tubebender; FOG724
Among the top of Schwarzenegger's reforms is Proposition 76, the Live Within Our Means Act, which would require the governor to bring the budget into balance periodically by giving governors sole authority to cut or raise taxes.

And this is a good thing? There won't be an (R) in office forever, and this one has already hinted at raising taxes.

7 posted on 09/23/2005 7:05:32 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl; 68 grunt; Carry_Okie; NormsRevenge; ElkGroveDan; Amerigomag; editor-surveyor; ...
OMG!!! You found the POISON PILL!!! SCHWARZENRENEGGER IS A SNEAK CHEAT!!!

C'mon... even you swooners like "68 grunt" didn't expect this kind of malicious mischief from the mealy mouthed Rinold, did'ja???

This is just flat dumb and unacceptable no matter what flavor of supposed CONservative you want everyone here to believe you are!

Join me in voting "NO," no wait! Not just "NO," but "NO BLEEPIN WAY!!!"

8 posted on 09/23/2005 7:33:19 PM PDT by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: SierraWasp; calcowgirl
RINOs - they are not better than leftists, they are leftists.

Kool-Aide flavor of the day - formaldehyde

9 posted on 09/23/2005 7:35:33 PM PDT by FOG724 (Kool-Aide flavor of the day - formaldehyde)
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To: calcowgirl
Among the top of Schwarzenegger's reforms is Proposition 76, the Live Within Our Means Act, which would require the governor to bring the budget into balance periodically by giving governors sole authority to cut or raise taxes.

Giving a governor the power to raise taxes is a clear violation of the Separation of Powers. It also hoses Proposition 13, which wouldn't be exactly popular.

Are you sure this is correct? I haven't read it yet.

10 posted on 09/23/2005 7:38:19 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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To: FOG724
Alright, the ilk showed up like the three blind mice ...
11 posted on 09/23/2005 7:40:39 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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Dang, its a herd now ...


12 posted on 09/23/2005 7:42:00 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: 68 grunt
Alright, the ilk showed up like the three blind mice ...

Stuff it!

13 posted on 09/23/2005 7:49:47 PM PDT by FOG724 (Kool-Aide flavor of the day - formaldehyde)
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To: FOG724
Stuff it!

Truth, learn it, live it, love it ...

14 posted on 09/23/2005 7:52:39 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: 68 grunt
Truth, learn it, live it, love it ...

You are acting like the hind quarters of biblical transportation. You are being deliberately antagonistic.

15 posted on 09/23/2005 8:00:10 PM PDT by FOG724 (Kool-Aide flavor of the day - formaldehyde)
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To: FOG724

The ilk don't like it when their herd becomes known. By their posts you shall know them ...


16 posted on 09/23/2005 8:05:15 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: 68 grunt
The ilk don't like it when their herd becomes known. By their posts you shall know them ...

Yes, they have all posted information related to the topic while you on the other hand have done nothing but criticize the posters. Do you have anthing informative to contribute?

17 posted on 09/23/2005 8:09:35 PM PDT by FOG724 (Kool-Aide flavor of the day - formaldehyde)
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To: FOG724
... Do you have anthing informative to contribute?

Ilk hunter, extrodinaire. Alerting lurkers to the caricatures of the ilk since 1998 ...

18 posted on 09/23/2005 8:14:03 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Carry_Okie; calcowgirl
Are you sure this is correct? I haven't read it yet.

It isn't.

Under certain circumstances, this bill authorizes reductions in state expenditures but does not withdraw the mandates that require these expenditures.

The result is the ability of the state to reduce revenues to counties while not relieving the counties of the legal responsibility to continue these programs at their increased expense. A circumstance that will. without relief from the legislature or the courts, force local governments (counties) to raise local taxes to cover the shortfalls in state reimbursement.

Most of the proposed reductions in state spending in the past two years are similar in theme, allowing the state to reduce spending by shifting the burden to local governments. This gimmick has allowed the executive to claim that there is no proposed "increase in taxes" when, in fact, taxes are increasing faster than historical rates, usually in form of "local taxes" or "fee increases".

19 posted on 09/23/2005 9:52:33 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: 68 grunt
I wanna know how the anti-Arnie ilk are gonna try to sabotage it. For the good of conservatism, of course ...

First of all, I have supported Arnold when he does the right things, so your post is, once again, baseless posturing. Second, I haven't said that I am against this proposition. In fact, I haven't made a decision about it. I am against the State borrowing more money, but haven't decided if it is worth giving Arnold such powers to make mid-term cuts when he hasn't availed himself of the powers he already has in the line-item veto.

Nice to see that you admit your support for continued borrowing under threat of a tax increase, instead of spending cuts. For the good of conservatism, of course ... Apparently a 40% increase in debt load isn't enough for you.

20 posted on 09/23/2005 10:31:00 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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