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To: pigdog
pigdog wrote:

In a word, NO!! Not hardly. In fact I merely asked you to show us a bill you have before congress expressing your "tax plan" in some detail and showing us some economic studies that demonstrate it is revenue neutral as well as meets the ofher few criteria that the Presedent has put forth. Since you seem unable to do that, we'll consider this to be the self-effacing piffle it really is.

Show you a bill? Perhaps you should read our Constitution!

Still telling fibs? My plan? What I support pal, is not my plan, but the founding fathers original tax plan and its various checks and balances which were designed to control Congress' actions, and also provides an intended method to extinguish deficits in a manner making every member of Congress immediately accountable to their state legislature for their spending habits while in Congress Assembled.

As I correctly stated above in post 427

Neither the Forbes flat tax nor the alleged Fair Tax promoted by radio talk show host Neal Boortz, or a value added tax does anything to control the wasteful spending and borrowing practices of Congress; does anything to encourage Congress to start following sound fiscal and economic policies beneficial to America’s businesses, industries and labor; nor do any of the above proposals compel Congress to extinguish annual deficits in a manner in which members of Congress would be quickly held accountable by their State Governor and Legislature for their reckless spending and borrowing habits!

Sad thing is, in this respect, the Forbes flat tax, just as the Boortz promoted [H.R. 25] and the value added tax plan, are nothing but cleverly concocted plans allowing Congress to skin the goose which lays the golden eggs and continue in its unaccountable profligate borrowing and spending habits which is the worm at the root of the tree. All the above proposals are variations of a single plan to support existing big government and the countless political plum jobs on Capitol Hill, many of which have six figure salaries and redistribute money taxed away from hard working Americans for functions not authorized by the enumerated powers granted to Congress by our Constitution.”

pigdog,

Your plan is intentionally designed to support existing big government via its revenue neutral feature, and does nothing to control the reckless spending and borrowing practices of Congress. Only a socialist and those who favor big government would support your government friendly tax plan, and be against our founding father‘s plan.

“He has erected a multitude of new offices , and sent hither swarms of officers, to harass our people, and eat out their substance” ___Declaration of Independence

As I said, I have always preferred the truth in such discussions, something which you ought to try!

JWK
ACRS

The only stinking tax reform we need is for the American People to demand their employees in Washington add the following words to our Constitution which brings us back to our founding fathers plan:

“The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay “any” tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money“ .

433 posted on 09/25/2005 10:19:45 AM PDT by JOHN W K
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To: JOHN W K

The Constitution is not a revenue bill John - I'd have thought you would know that. If your idea in your "tax plan" is to have NO revenue-raising legislation other that the Constitution then your "bill" should state that.

I merely asked you to show us a bill you have before congress expressing your "tax plan" in some detail and showing us some economic studies that demonstrate it is revenue neutral as well as meets the ofher few criteria that the Presedent has put forth. Since you seem unable to do that, we'll consider this to be the self-effacing piffle it really is.

Apportioning to the states left the scene many years ago ... or perhaps you didn't notice. Stop wasting bandwidth with your nonsense. Show us how your "plan" would raise sufficient funds to run the government and how it would be anything other than oppressive on poorer states (which was one of the reasons for its downfall originally).

Your daydream will never make it before Congress for a vote unless you have it in bill form and it is precisely that we need to see. Until then, you're just continuing to rant and rave only to boost your own ego.


434 posted on 09/25/2005 11:12:16 AM PDT by pigdog
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