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To: elkfersupper
Just out of sick curiousity, how do you draw blood "by force"? Strap the guy down? Gas him? Hog tie him and sit on his head?
And what happens if, after all that, he turns out not to have any alcohol in his bloodstream?
3 posted on 09/14/2005 3:45:44 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs ("Nuthin' ain't worth nuthin', but it's free.")
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To: LongElegantLegs

I thought the blood test could be required only after a traffic accident.


9 posted on 09/14/2005 3:51:04 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (A good friend helps you move. A great friend helps you move a body.)
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To: LongElegantLegs
Just out of sick curiousity, how do you draw blood "by force"? Strap the guy down? Gas him? Hog tie him and sit on his head? And what happens if, after all that, he turns out not to have any alcohol in his bloodstream?

I can just see that now. Maybe they didn't think of that aspect.

I think it would be more legitimate if someone refused, to just suspend their license, rather than wrestling them to the floor and removing their blood by force. That's a bit much in my opinon.

10 posted on 09/14/2005 3:51:04 PM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: LongElegantLegs
how do you draw blood "by force"?

All of your suggestions will probably be attempted. Plus there are already news stories out there about people being "Tasered" into submission.

And what happens if, after all that, he turns out not to have any alcohol in his bloodstream?

Odds are he will still be charged with DWI. Happens all the time. All the LEO has to do is say he thought that the accused was "impaired".

15 posted on 09/14/2005 3:55:05 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: LongElegantLegs
This whole "drawing blood" thing is going to get very interesting.

First of all I am for keeping impaired drivers off the road. Can you imagine the spectrum of personalities - usually impaired - and their range of reactions to the officer and his blood drawing tools?

basic impaired behavior, fear of needles, fear of jail, fear of catching blood-borne disease (that applies to the officer also)- etc.

41 posted on 09/14/2005 4:08:55 PM PDT by winston2 (Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness! :-)
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To: LongElegantLegs

pump a round thru his chest?


75 posted on 09/14/2005 4:39:38 PM PDT by 556x45
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To: LongElegantLegs

Shoot him in the leg and mop up the "evidence."


133 posted on 09/14/2005 7:09:28 PM PDT by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: LongElegantLegs

Its not that hard, you just need someone to lay on their legs,another to hold the arm that you are going to use and someone to hold the other arm so they can't grab at the needle. Just becareful you don't stick yourself or the person helping you hold the arm with the dirty needle or you will be drawing two samples for aids and hepatitus testing.


138 posted on 09/14/2005 7:29:18 PM PDT by linn37 (Have you hugged your Phlebotomist today?)
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To: LongElegantLegs
Just out of sick curiousity, how do you draw blood "by force"? Strap the guy down?

Yes, at least here in Indiana, that is exactly how they do it. This is not new. This is the law under many model OWI statutes, and has been for 20 years. In Indiana it is also a crime for any physician, nures or technician to refuse to take a forcable blood sample when instructed to do so by a law enforcement office. This has not been much of an issue up to now because of the relilance on breathalyzer tests. Interesting, blood tests are subject to their own set of legal challenges, like chain of custody, serum vs. whole blood test, contamination of the sample and temperature degradation of the sample when stored at imporper temperatures,

156 posted on 09/15/2005 8:04:49 AM PDT by joebuck
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To: LongElegantLegs

At that point you have refused to give a blood sample voluntarily and at the least lose your license for six months.


158 posted on 09/15/2005 8:15:56 AM PDT by -YYZ-
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