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Intelligent design [was] old news to Darwin
Chicago Tribune ^ | 13 September 2005 | Tom Hundley

Posted on 09/13/2005 4:15:07 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

So what would Charles Darwin have to say about the dust-up between today's evolutionists and intelligent designers?

Probably nothing.

[snip]

Even after he became one of the most famous and controversial men of his time, he was always content to let surrogates argue his case.

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From his university days Darwin would have been familiar with the case for intelligent design. In 1802, nearly 30 years before the Beagle set sail, William Paley, the reigning theologian of his time, published "Natural Theology" in which he laid out his "Argument from Design."

Paley contended that if a person discovered a pocket watch while taking a ramble across the heath, he would know instantly that this was a designed object, not something that had evolved by chance. Therefore, there must be a designer. Similarly, man -- a marvelously intricate piece of biological machinery -- also must have been designed by "Someone."

If this has a familiar ring to it, it's because this is pretty much the same argument that intelligent design advocates use today.

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The first great public debate took place on June 30, 1860, in a packed hall at Oxford University's new Zoological Museum.

Samuel Wilberforce, the learned bishop of Oxford, was champing at the bit to demolish Darwin's notion that man descended from apes. As always, Darwin stayed home. His case was argued by one of his admirers, biologist Thomas Huxley.

Wilberforce drew whoops of glee from the gallery when he sarcastically asked Huxley if he claimed descent from the apes on his grandmother's side or his grandfather's. Huxley retorted that he would rather be related to an ape than to a man of the church who used half-truths and nonsense to attack science.

The argument continues unabated ...

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To: SeaLion

Thanks for taking the time to read the links. The internet is amazing.


761 posted on 09/14/2005 3:48:51 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; All
Again, just as an exercise, what would be so terrible about a government guided by Scripture and the will of God, just as most of the founding fathers envisioned

By golly, I think we have outselves here a bona fide, true-blue Christian Reconstructionist here.

762 posted on 09/14/2005 3:48:54 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor

So stone me.


763 posted on 09/14/2005 3:52:37 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray)
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To: Right Wing Professor
That is creepy. Just creepy.
764 posted on 09/14/2005 3:57:12 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
So stone me.

Actually, I don't want to stone you. I want to ask you questions. I've never run into a CR before. Are you one of the CRs who wants to reinstitute slavery? Do you believe, as North does, that the US Constitution is an illegitimate document? Do you really want to reinstitute capital punishment for large numbers of offenses? Will you be deporting heathens like me, or will I be burned at the stake?

765 posted on 09/14/2005 3:57:42 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: VadeRetro
That is creepy. Just creepy.

Good eyes, though, huh?

766 posted on 09/14/2005 3:59:58 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
ReligiousTolerance.org is a terrible, cultish site. It's name is a complete misnomer.

If you'd like some excellent reading go to

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Check out "Christian Reconstruction" by North and DeMar.

767 posted on 09/14/2005 4:01:41 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray)
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To: Right Wing Professor

I you won't stone me I won't roast you.


768 posted on 09/14/2005 4:05:35 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray)
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To: Right Wing Professor

IF...IF you don't stone me I won't roast you.

Another joke murdered by hungry family members.


769 posted on 09/14/2005 4:07:05 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray)
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To: VadeRetro

It is also not true.

ReligiousTolerance.org is a cult unto itself.


770 posted on 09/14/2005 4:08:08 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray)
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To: Right Wing Professor
Good eyes, though, huh?

Indeed! Good call!

771 posted on 09/14/2005 4:15:43 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
ReligiousTolerance.org is a cult unto itself.

Tu quoque, eh? Evolution is supposedly a religious cult, too, looking at the evidence through religious blinders. Everybody else is just doing what you're accused of doing.

772 posted on 09/14/2005 4:17:41 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro
The founding fathers were at considerable pains to avoid any establishment of religion.

The Framers of the Constitution seemed to go out of their way to assure that result:

Article I, Section. 3
Clause 6: The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation.

Article II, Section. 1
Clause 8: Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Article VI
Clause 3: The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

The First Amendment is icing on the cake:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ...
For those who may not understand the expression "oath or affirmation" it's explained here: Affirmation (from Wikipedia):
In law, an affirmation is a solemn declaration allowed to those who conscientiously object to taking an oath. An affirmation has exactly the same legal effect as an oath, but is usually taken to avoid the religious implications of an oath. The Constitution of the United States makes four references to an "oath or affirmation": In Article I, Senators must take a special oath or affirmation for the purpose of sitting as the tribunal for impeachment; in Article II, the president is required to take a specified oath or affirmation before entering office (see oath of office); in Article VI, all state and federal officials must take an oath or affirmation to support the U.S. Constitution; and in Amendment IV, all search warrants must be supported by evidence given under oath or affirmation.

773 posted on 09/14/2005 4:32:41 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Discoveries attributable to the scientific method -- 100%; to creation science -- zero.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
It is also not true. [ReligiousTolerance's characterization of Christian Reconstructionism]

Is this part of what is not true?

A church or congregation which does not accept the Mosaic Law has another god before them, and is thus guilty of idolatry. That would be punishable by death. That would include all non-Christian religious organizations. At the present time, non-Christians total two-thirds of the human race.
I hope it is. But what part isn't true? Is the first sentence false? Is the second sentence false? If one of those two sentences isn't false, I don't see how the rest of it is escapable.
774 posted on 09/14/2005 4:35:04 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: PatrickHenry
I swear your post affirms my thinking on the subject!
775 posted on 09/14/2005 4:36:45 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Trimegistus

To split it equally and pray.


776 posted on 09/14/2005 5:14:17 PM PDT by Paloma_55
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To: b_sharp
One path is not 'more' or 'less' advanced than any other, just different.

If I read this right, it is an enlightening statement.

It suggests that since we all exist in the same plane of time, we are all equally evolved. We just evolved to different things, but the level of evolution is equal.

It raises questions about Budhism... maybe we should not kill a bug because it is equal in evolution to us?

And it raises questions about why monkeys, which are supposedly evolved from the same branch of the tree, stopped evolving..in fact, stopped evolving for millions of years.

Has anyone found the equivalent of an Australo-pithecus for the chimpanzee?
777 posted on 09/14/2005 5:19:59 PM PDT by Paloma_55
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To: Paloma_55
And it raises questions about why monkeys, which are supposedly evolved from the same branch of the tree, stopped evolving..in fact, stopped evolving for millions of years.

You might as well ask, "If we came from fish, why have fish stopped evolving?"

Nothing still alive has stopped evolving.

778 posted on 09/14/2005 5:26:15 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro

Where are the bones of australo-pithecus versions of monkeys?

Do we have a trail of monkeys that goes all the way back to a fish?

I bet you can find chimp bones from a million years ago.


779 posted on 09/14/2005 5:28:04 PM PDT by Paloma_55
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To: RightWingNilla
I have been told by several people that voices in the head are not an uncommon phenomenon. Since I've always heard such associated with people babbling on the street corner or cooking family pets because "that is what the voices told them to do" I assumed hearing such meant I was off my rocker.

It doesn't help that my voices tell me to do nice things to people or to care for homeless animals. I can't even be nuts normally.

780 posted on 09/14/2005 5:29:37 PM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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