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To: SierraWasp; Carry_Okie

What I refer to by "political mechanics" is that entire circle-jerk that begins with the true-believeing environmentalist group going to government to craft regulation to protect something -- a valley, a mountain, a particular species. The government, in turn, because certain persons within its structure are susceptible to manipulation by various industrial players who offer them certain, uh, "incentives", too often ends up crafting the regulatory language in ways that favor these industries. So, lanholders have their land usage and disposition increasingly regulated, because environmentalist gropus clamor for such control to be imposed by government, which, in turn, is made up of morally flawed individuals, all too many of whom are on the take from industry to cut them breaks in these regulations. These loopholes and exception clauses pave the way for land to be dispositioned, ultimately, in exatcly the kinds of ways that the environmental groups originally set out to prevent. They get played for complete patsies by both government and industry, the landowners get screwed into becoming FORMER land owners and the land itself gets the shaft.

Conservatives have long been suspicious of the liason between government and environmentalists but, because conservatism generally has a pro-business bent, we haven't been good at delving adequately into just how business plays into the enviro-political regulatory picture, particulary focusing on the ways that it has been exploiting corrupt politicians to game the system.

The whole mechanism would be a supremely delicious irony but for the toll in environmental damage and violations of private property rights that are involved.

This is just about my complete grasp of the situation as I presently understand it. I defer, therefore, to our demonstrated resident expert to clarify or modify anything I've stated that may be slightly off-target.


52 posted on 09/07/2005 10:17:49 AM PDT by HKMk23 (SAVE THE EARTH! STOP THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS!)
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To: HKMk23
Your description of the regulatory loop has a missing element: The environmental activists are often funded by the tax-exempt "charitable" foundations of industry stockholders. That perfidy is not just opportunistic, but is manipulated and has been for over sixty years.

Conservatives have long been suspicious of the liason between government and environmentalists but, because conservatism generally has a pro-business bent, we haven't been good at delving adequately into just how business plays into the enviro-political regulatory picture, particulary focusing on the ways that it has been exploiting corrupt politicians to game the system.

This post has a pretty good description of just such a game.

The whole mechanism would be a supremely delicious irony but for the toll in environmental damage and violations of private property rights that are involved.

Correct. The whole key to our case is moral authority, but unless we exercise that authority by superior stewardship, we have no basis for a claim.

This is just about my complete grasp of the situation as I presently understand it. I defer, therefore, to our demonstrated resident expert to clarify or modify anything I've stated that may be slightly off-target.

lmao

53 posted on 09/07/2005 10:29:47 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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