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1 posted on 08/31/2005 6:52:40 PM PDT by OESY
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To: OESY

Isn't Dana Milbank an unreconstruction Communist?


2 posted on 08/31/2005 6:58:18 PM PDT by msnimje
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To: OESY; Coleus; Jon Alvarez; Cincinatus' Wife; Alia
I beg to differ.

First of all, even if I accepted the author's pro forma denunciation of the so-called red-baiting that occurred during the 50s and 60s, and approved of his castigation of "McCarthyism"-which I don't-the charge could not be applied to any of John Tierney's statements.

This man is a moderate, rational libertarian, along the lines of a John Stossel, who-to the best of my knowledge-was still in the employ of The Old Gray Lady, a paper that has published the work of James Reston, Walter Duranty, Sydney Schanberg, Tom Wicker, Anthony Lewis, among a variety of other writers, whose political orientation has ranged all the way from Stalinist apologetics, to hard core, reflexive defense of new leftism, to tacit sympathy for Islamic terrorists and their state sponsors.

So the notion that Tierney is some sort of reactionary is preposterous on its face.

Secondly, it's not simply "one group" of those that were enumerated by Mr. Tierney that is intimately connected with the CPUSA, the Sparticist League, SWP, and other criminal socialist elements, but all of those groups, save MoveOn.org, which is still radical enough to have vociferously opposed both Operation Enduring Freedom and OIF.

Finally, I don't think that Tierney should be faulted for exposing the truth, any more than the scientist who exposed the origin and extent of the SARS virus should have been chastised by the PRC government.

Someone who sheds light on the darkness that shrouds internal diseases, which are intent on doing us harm, should be commended, not rebuked for his perseverance.

3 posted on 08/31/2005 7:08:59 PM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("I'm okay with being unimpressive. It helps me sleep better.")
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To: OESY
No there aren't that many card carrying Communist's anymore, history has sent that term to the scrap heap. However like all things left and post modern the communist simply morphs into a more tolerable socialist until that word becomes taboo then it becomes progressive and so on. I tend to link communist with the general "no enemies to the left" leftist revolution that has not died and in fact is more dangerous than ever. While Cindy may or may not know or understand the objectives of her main supporters she never the less is keeping some pretty "red" company.

Maybe for political purposes he went to far but in reality hes not that far off.
5 posted on 08/31/2005 7:15:21 PM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: OESY

The bitch in the ditch is as red as they come.


6 posted on 08/31/2005 7:15:50 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God)
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To: OESY
The hell they are not that many; the bulk of them just don't know that they're communists.
7 posted on 08/31/2005 7:21:31 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: OESY

America’s Mein Kampf

Check my home page.


8 posted on 08/31/2005 7:23:59 PM PDT by Not a 60s Hippy (They are SOCIALISTS, not Progressive, Liberal, Left Wing, Democrats, Special interest groups.)
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To: OESY

Yes there ARE communists - and quite a lot of them!


In 1919 an Italian socialist named Antonio Gramsci began to publish a newspaper in Milan called, L'Ordine Nuovo, or "The New Order." Loosely rendered, he concluded that the average person would never voluntarily reject the faith and culture of the West. He concluded that the best way to implement a collectivist government was to use an intellectual elite to destroy traditional values by attacking fundamental Jewish and Christian beliefs.

Antonio Gramsci, 1891-1937

...A. The New Order (L'Ordine Nuovo)
......1. Italian Communist newspaper, founded 1919
......2. Co-founder of Italian Communist Party, 1921
......3. Pre-Prison Writings, ed. Richard Bellamy (Cambridge, 1994)
......4. Selections from the Prison Notebooks (Intl. Publishers, 1971)

...B. Lenin was wrong, and the Leninist revolution will fail
......1. The workers will see the revolutionary government as a new boss
......2. When the revolution fails, the west will re-import Capitalism

...C. Gradual revolution through infiltration & subversion by revolutionaries
......1. Infiltrate the State: elective & appointed office; judgeships
......2. Infiltrate the military: enlist & subvert from within
......3. Infiltrate justice: undermine and discredit state constitutions
......4. Infiltrate education: professors & administrators
......5. Infiltrate & discredit religion: scoundrels as clergymen
......6. Register, then license, then confiscate all privately held weapons

...D. Form or infiltrate international organizations to promote goals such as "global understanding," "economic development," "transfer of resources"

...E. Both Capitalism and Judaeo-Christian culture must be destroyed before a Communist revolution can succeed
......1. Religious sentiment cannot be destroyed through legislation, as Lenin believed, but must be redirected from the divine to the state
.........a. Terror will only drive Religion underground
.........b. Religion will then reemerge when Leninism fails
.........c. So Religion must be destroyed in the minds of men

......2. Infiltrate religious academies and become priests and clergymen
.........a. Subtly promote heresy within religious organizations
.........b. Infiltrators must act so as to discredit the church
............(1) Cause financial and sexual scandals
............(2) See that this is given a high profile in the news
............(3) Like-minded infiltrators in the media will cooperate

......3. Once religion is discredited from within, continuously promote the idea that only the state can solve the problems that have been traditionally brought before the church

...F. When propagating revolutionary ideas, cloak them in polite terms
......1. National Consensus
......2. Popular Mandate
......3. National Pacification
......4. Pluralism
......5. Global Community
......6. Economic Justice
......7. Economic Democracy
......8. Liberation Theology
......9. Direct Action

...G. Marxists "must enter into every civil, cultural, and political activity in every nation, leavening them as yeast leavens bread."


Note: While reading this, think back over what the left has done to this country.


9 posted on 08/31/2005 7:27:07 PM PDT by hombre_sincero (www.sigmaitsys.com)
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To: OESY
If they aren't "Reds" then I believe the term "useful idiot" can be aptly applied here
11 posted on 08/31/2005 7:27:57 PM PDT by RedMonqey
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To: OESY

Plenty of commies, just look at the Democrat party.


15 posted on 08/31/2005 7:33:49 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Conservatives are from Earth. Liberals are from Uranus.(c))
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To: OESY
Tierney and others like him need to remain precise and careful about their charges. Hyperbole only destroys the credibility and gives material assistance to the lunatics at the fringe, which need real exposure that includes solid evidence that speaks for itself.

Why is it that the left can make outrageous charges, but it's the right that must watch it's P's and Q's?

Whether these groups currently accept support from genuine communists is irrelevant. They are all the descendants of groups that did. Starting with the front groups and guilds of Hollywood, that was deliberately infiltrated on Stalin's orders, because he understood that long term success hinged with turning peoples minds. The education establishment was likewise attacked, and it's current leftist tilt is a legacy of genuine USSR communism.

Records of the 30's-50's Communist International found in Russia after the fall of the Berlin Wall are enough proof as to their lineage.

20 posted on 08/31/2005 7:56:53 PM PDT by narby (There are Bloggers, and then there are Freepers.)
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To: OESY

If you research a leftist website via the internet, you will, most likely, find support/money from the US Communist party. I think this article is a smokescreen.


23 posted on 08/31/2005 8:20:48 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: All
Excellent commentary thus far. Socialism, in one name form or another, has been with us for centuries.

An obvious example are the Levelers of medieval England, that bribed and controlled the mob in London, making it dangerous even for the King to visit his Capital City, unless concessions were made.

Society does not advance where ever socialism gains control.
Followers of Fabian Socialism were willing to wait centuries to control America, and are astonished at the rapid advance of Federal Socialism, which permeates the country.
Our society is even now in decline, polarized in hate and fear and contempt.

Of course, History shows that eventually, a strong leader will step forward to stop revolution and anarchy, and demand sole authority and great power, and then the real misery and oppression begins.
Oddly, every socialist you meet believes that they are that next leader.

Socialism truely is an incurable, insidious and fatal disease.

25 posted on 08/31/2005 9:26:56 PM PDT by FreedomFarmer (Socialism is not an ideology, it is a disease. Eliminate the vectors.)
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To: OESY
Kill A Commie For Mommie
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34 posted on 09/01/2005 9:45:24 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("If it's brown, drink it down. If it's black send it back." Homer's guide to drinking in Springfield)
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To: Senator Kunte Klinte

35 posted on 09/01/2005 5:40:59 PM PDT by OESY
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