Posted on 08/30/2005 4:17:24 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
NEW ORLEANS - The historic city of New Orleans was steadily filling with water from nearby Lake Ponchartrain today after its defenses were breached by the ferocity of Hurricane Katrina.
Water began rising in the streets this morning after a levee broke along a canal leading to Lake Pontchartrain, and many of the pumps relied upon by New Orleans -- built below sea level -- have failed.
Officials planned to use helicopters to drop 3,000-pound sandbags into the breach, but rising floodwaters were threatening the French Quarter, residents were plucked from the roofs of their homes, bodies were seen floating in the streets and rescuers searched the city in boats and helicopters.
Portions of the Interstate 10 high-rise bridge over the mouth of Lake Pontchartrain east of New Orleans have collapsed. Another bridge, the causeway running across the middle of the lake, has structural damage, and engineers are inspecting U.S. 11, which also crosses the lake, to determine if it is structurally sound.
"We probably have 80 percent of our city under water; with some sections of our city the water is as deep as 20 feet. Both airports are underwater,'' Mayor Ray Nagin told a radio interviewer.
New Orleans, a city that usually throbs with the life of its carnivals and the sound of jazz and blues, was in a "state of devastation,'' Nagin said.
Much of New Orleans, a city of some 500,000, lies in a bowl below sea level, bounded by the lake and the Mississippi River, which curves along the south of the city before discharging in the Gulf of Mexico.
"We always were afraid the bowl that is New Orleans would fill quickly,'' Walter Maestri, emergency management coordinator for Jefferson Parish, said in a radio interview.
"The water is rising so fast I cannot begin to describe how quickly it's rising,'' Tulane University Medical Center Vice President Karen Troyer-Caraway told CNN. "We have whitecaps on Canal Street, the water is moving so fast.''
The downtown hospital was surrounded by 6 feet of water and considering evacuating its 1,000 patients.
The New Orleans VA Medical Center began to evacuate this morning after the floodwaters disrupted its generators, endangering patients on ventilators.
"The devastation is greater than our worst fears,'' Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco said in a news conference. "It's totally overwhelming.''
Weather experts had predicted the city would be quickly overwhelmed by the impact of Katrina, which tore across the coast on Monday, but initially damage appeared less than catastrophic.
By today, however, the full impact was clear as the water rose and overwhelmed pumps, part of an elaborate system of walls, canals and other devices built to protect the city from just such a disaster.
Fears grew about pollution, with the water believed to be carrying sewage, spilled fuel and other pollutants from residential and commercial districts inundated in the flood.
Reporters said there was waist-high water round the Superdome, the huge covered football stadium near downtown New Orleans that had been used as an emergency evacuation center for thousands of residents.
Local television showed people and dogs sitting on rooftops, the houses below them invisible in brackish water. A hand was visible through a window in a house surrounded by chest-high water.
One man was seen using an ice chest as a flotation device. Another clung to metal scaffolding to escape the deluge, which ironically occurred in sunshine and blue skies today.
No deaths were officially confirmed, but Nagin said bodies were seen floating.
State Sen. Ann Duplessis, who owns a home in eastern New Orleans, said she had reports from neighbors in the gated Eastover subdivision of bodies floating in the floodwaters.
Officials went on television to urge people not to try to return to their homes yet. "You need to get used to where you're at right now because this may take us some time.'' said U.S. Rep. Bobby Jindal.
"There will be neighborhoods where people just can't get back into their homes for weeks, if not months," said Michael Brown, director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency.
Even if they wanted to, New Orleans residents would have a difficult time just getting back to their hometown.
Much of Interstate 10 is closed on either side of New Orleans. Some sections of Lake Ponchartrain's I-10 twin span — a lifeline between the south and north shores of the lake — are missing; others have shifted position but are still standing.
"We know that the I-10 twin span has blown over, is no longer with us," said Mark Smith, spokesman for the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness.
"This will be the story for some time to come,"said Lt. Lawrence J. McLeary, spokesman for the Louisiana State Police.
Many roads and highways south and north of New Orleans are either flooded and impassable or have been closed by state police to keep people from entering damaged areas until emergency workers can rescue stranded residents and other crews can make damage assessments.
Blanco said 700 people had been rescued so far, but she said it was still too early to count the casualties.
"We have no counts whatsoever," she said, "but we know many lives have been lost."
I saw the pictures shot from a helicopter on Fox News during lunch. It was shocking how much damage was done to sections of that bridge.
cm per second might be a good bet
that's a lot faster than I expected!
Water rising at 17th St. canal
Tuesday, 6:30 p.m.
Mayor Ray Nagin has announced that the attempt to plug a breach in the
17th Street canal at the Hammond Highway bridge has failed and the
rising water is about to overwhelm the pumps on that canal.
The result is that water will begin rising rapidly again, and could
reach as high as 3 feet above sea level. In New Orleans and Jefferson
Parish, that means floodwaters could rise as high as 15 feet in the next
few hours.
Nagin urged residents to try to find higher ground as soon as possible.
Mayor Ray Nagin needs to be removed from office ASAP!!
How is the family doing down there? Have not seen you around lately...
See anything about Bourbon Street, Preservation House?
That's a foot an hour! Assuming 80% of the city is covered with the same, rising water level, and an area of 180 square miles (I got that from here), that's 92,160 acre-feet per hour, 25.6 ac-ft/sec, or 1.11 million cubic feet per second. Yikes.
Can you text message him? You could try e-mail if he can read e-mail from his phone.
There's a white wash(passive black out) occurring on Free Republic right now. Watch the front page scroll away any more info hurricane threads like this one
Governor: New Orleans Needs to Be Evacuated
Foxnews ^ | Foxnews
Posted on 08/30/2005 4:17:49 PM CDT by Bigh4u2
At what point do the insurance adjusters just declare New Orleans a "total"?
I'd suggest the Red Cross or some other emergency agency. If they are in a shelter somewhere, these would be the most likely to know. Bless your family.
No, I don't believe he can read email from his phone.... But, thank you for the suggestion. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
Also, I heard that they want to evacuate people out of New Orleans, is this true ? How would they get out ???
Thank you very much....
Call the Salvation Army and let them have your info. There are no phones, no email, no nothing working in NO right now. The Salvation Army and the Red Cross do a good job of getting loved ones in touch during disasters. It might take awhile. My prayers are with you. God Save those poor people.
I have seen no numbers listed, prayers for their safety, and hopefully they will call you as soon as they can.
How is it that Bourbon Street is dry? I just don't get that?
Yeah, he sounded like a valium-addled robot. He does not come across as very competent...
He needs to be 'frog-marched' out of New Orleans. I remember last year during Ivan when New Orleans was threatened thinking to myself that they better pray he is never in charge when the big one hits. He is totally incompetent and probably corrupt. How come the LA. DEMS and politicos can bus people to the polls on election day and could not bus them to safety? Heads need to roll!!
Did someone say dry bourbon?
Bourbon Street and portions of the French Quarter may be above sea level
Don't know...
My recall was of watching ships go by on Mississippi
while I was in Jackson square while looking UP!
but river was about 17 ft. above sea level
so the perspective of memory is distorted
Bourbon Street was dry before the levee broke. Shepard Smith was standing in water this afternoon as the water rose. It's even higher now. I don't know how deep.
I look at the video and ask myself, How in the World do clean it up, and do it safely? It will be a Petri dish of diseases in very little time. You have dead animals, rotting meet and food, sewage, graveyards, and the bodies of people yet to be found.
Is it safe to say that the weight of that water will cause further sinking of the terrain in the New Orleans "bowl?"
I liked to frequent a little restaurant called the Bon Ton whenever I visited this city. Suppose its gone now.
IMO new orleans is gone. A city below sea level is just not going to work. Even if they block up the holes, pump all the water out (and that's a lot of water!) and rebuild, what stops another hurricane who knows when from tearing it all down again? It's just a very bad location to put a city.
How 'bout Virginia??
I should probably add that I am probably wrong before I get eaten!
Bourbon Street is 2.5 feet above sea level.
Does anyone have a link to make a donation?
God have mercy and help these people. Give them strength.
Amen.
I am fine, I am in New Mexico at present going to Alaska in two weeks.
I have gotten any word from her, but that could be my travel connection and email.
I sure don't know the mayor from Adam. But I will give him the benefit of the doubt. It may be that the guy was simply exhausted. To prepare for a disaster of Katrina's scale is not a 8 hour a day task. You can bet he was working with other agencies both within and outside of the city to plan and coordinate responses around the clock.
Emergency management can only go so far. In the end people still have to take action to save themselves, their family and their homes. The city can not do it for them. All the city can do is issue evacuation orders, provide shelters, help special needs citizens and launch search and rescue in the aftermath.
I'm sorry that your relatives have had to go through this. I have no idea how to contact them. Just about every possible modern convenience or necessity is unavailable in the aftermath of such a devastating hurricane. You may have to wait for them to call you from a public pay telephone.
I remember back in 1970 after Hurricane Celia, the electricity was out for about 10 days, and the phones were out for a comparable period. Even with a generator to provide electricity there was no point in trying to watch TV, because all the TV stations were off the air. When my family went to Port Aransas to check on our condo, we had to use the ferry, because the southern route from Corpus Christi was not passable due to bridges being out. Once on the island we could not leave till we had typhoid shots. That hurricane had incredible winds. The annemometer at Corpus Christi Interantional Airport recorded 180 mph winds before it blew apart. It was estimated we had winds over 200 mph. There was tremendous wind damage, but fortunately no excessive storm surge as it hit during low tide. Ever since Hurricane Celia, I have vowed never to stay during a hurricane again.
Take care, and lem'me know when you make contact. If there is anything I can do for her, don't hesitate.
The fact that bodies in New Orleans are entombed and not buried will also add to the toxic mix. It may also be difficult for recovery workers to distinguish between those who died in the storm and those less recent dead. This was a problem after Camille.
There is a very big potential for an epidemic. I hope the public health sector is prepared.
I'm not going to eat you. I was interested to find out that NO was not below sea level when it was first built. It has been sinking. I think that made me feel better about it's beginnings.
And therein lies the problem.....Heads should roll.
Thanks for the heads up and the information.
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