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Adam, Eve and T. Rex
LA Times ^ | 8/27/05 | Ashley Powers

Posted on 08/27/2005 9:28:07 PM PDT by Crackingham

Dinny the roadside dinosaur has found religion. The 45-foot-high concrete apatosaurus has towered over Interstate 10 near Palm Springs for nearly three decades as a kitschy prehistoric pit stop for tourists. Now he is the star of a renovated attraction that disputes the fact that dinosaurs died off millions of years before humans first walked the planet.

Dinny's new owners, pointing to the Book of Genesis, contend that most dinosaurs arrived on Earth the same day as Adam and Eve, some 6,000 years ago, and later marched two by two onto Noah's Ark. The gift shop at the attraction, called the Cabazon Dinosaurs, sells toy dinosaurs whose labels warn, "Don't swallow it! The fossil record does not support evolution."

The Cabazon Dinosaurs join at least half a dozen other roadside attractions nationwide that use the giant reptiles' popularity in seeking to win converts to creationism. And more are on the way.

"We're putting evolutionists on notice: We're taking the dinosaurs back," said Ken Ham, president of Answers in Genesis, a Christian group building a $25-million creationist museum in Petersburg, Ky., that's already overrun with model sauropods and velociraptors.

"They're used to teach people that there's no God, and they're used to brainwash people," he said. "Evolutionists get very upset when we use dinosaurs. That's their star."

The nation's top paleontologists find the creation theory preposterous and say children are being misled by dinosaur exhibits that take the Jurassic out of "Jurassic Park."

"Dinosaurs lived in the Garden of Eden, and Noah's Ark? Give me a break," said Kevin Padian, curator at the University of California Museum of Paleontology in Berkeley and president of National Center for Science Education, an Oakland group that supports teaching evolution. "For them, 'The Flintstones' is a documentary."

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1 posted on 08/27/2005 9:29:15 PM PDT by Crackingham
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To: Crackingham
Dinny's new owners, pointing to the Book of Genesis, contend that most dinosaurs arrived on Earth the same day as Adam and Eve, some 6,000 years ago...

I thought it was more like 10,000 years ago.

2 posted on 08/27/2005 9:31:12 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: Crackingham
Dinny's new owners, pointing to the Book of Genesis, contend that most dinosaurs arrived on Earth the same day as Adam and Eve, some 6,000 years ago, and later marched two by two onto Noah's Ark.

In other news, two morons do their part to ruin the world for the rest of us.

3 posted on 08/27/2005 9:31:32 PM PDT by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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To: Crackingham

"For them, 'The Flintstones' is a documentary."
___________________________

I like this guys sense of humor.


4 posted on 08/27/2005 9:33:07 PM PDT by lp boonie (Good judgement comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgement)
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To: Crackingham

Darwinists runing scared Bump!


5 posted on 08/27/2005 9:33:56 PM PDT by balch3
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To: Crackingham

These people do make evolution sound intelligent.


6 posted on 08/27/2005 9:35:40 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Crackingham

Had a nice maniraptoran theropod Caesar salad for supper tonight......

That's "chicken" to all you creationists out there.

Tyrannosaurs didn't walk the Earth with Neanderthal and Cro Magnon.....but dinosaurs aren't gone. Go to KFC and get a bucket full of their body parts. Yum!


7 posted on 08/27/2005 9:38:07 PM PDT by Bombardier ("Religion of Peace" my butt.....sell that snakeoil to someone who'll buy it!)
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To: PatrickHenry

Moron alert!


8 posted on 08/27/2005 9:38:28 PM PDT by Clemenza (Proud "Free Traitor" & Capitalist Pig)
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To: balch3

How did the dinosaurs fit in the ark?


9 posted on 08/27/2005 9:42:12 PM PDT by SolarisRocks
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To: SolarisRocks

Maybe they weren't on the ark and that's why they went extinct.


10 posted on 08/27/2005 9:43:18 PM PDT by balch3
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To: Clemenza
Biological macroevolution has never been observed. It has not been repeated. It has not been measured. It is presupposed, and all evidence read in its framework and twisted to bolster it. Proponents are reduced to flinging arrogant insults (like "moron") at dissenters. Why?

It is actively propogated by those who want to live as they wish, with no thought of the Creator who will ultimately call them to account for every idle word, every deed done in secret. It is believed by those who will not think for themsleves and let the evidence - not the desired outcome - guide them.

11 posted on 08/27/2005 9:46:40 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: balch3

The above article says they "marched two by two onto the ark". That is why I asked :)


12 posted on 08/27/2005 9:51:18 PM PDT by SolarisRocks
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To: Crackingham

The word of God, which fools disregard, speaks of behemoth and leviathan. It is probable the catastrophic event that killed them was none other than the deluge. This would have reduced the atmospheric pressure (the water existed in a canopy above the earth prior to that) and thus the oxygen density, making it impossible for such creatures to survive. This would also explain the fossils mixed up and concentrated in certain area, with the "fines" (smaller specimens) sinking further down.


13 posted on 08/27/2005 9:51:32 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: SolarisRocks

They were hatchlings perhaps?


14 posted on 08/27/2005 9:56:10 PM PDT by Fatalist (60 in 06)
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To: Crackingham
I have proof! A human, with a dinosaur, AND a sabre tooth cat!


15 posted on 08/27/2005 9:58:56 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Crackingham

[Organizers at Creation Research of the North Coast in Humboldt County, Calif., dream of building their own reptile park but lack funding and acreage]


That's not all they lack.


16 posted on 08/27/2005 9:59:50 PM PDT by spinestein (The facts fairly and honestly presented, truth will take care of itself.)
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To: Texas Eagle

Ol' Bishop Ussher and his "calculation" can be seen in all its nonsensical glory at:

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/ussher.htm


17 posted on 08/27/2005 10:00:45 PM PDT by decal ("The Republic was not established by cowards, and cowards will not preserve it")
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To: Crackingham

[The Texas museum sponsors a continuing hunt for living pterodactyls in Papua New Guinea. Baugh said five colleagues have spotted the flying dinosaurs, "but all the sightings were made after dark, and we were not able to capture the creatures."]



This is my favorite line.


18 posted on 08/27/2005 10:01:16 PM PDT by spinestein (The facts fairly and honestly presented, truth will take care of itself.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Joe Barbera wrote Genesis??


19 posted on 08/27/2005 10:01:30 PM PDT by decal ("The Republic was not established by cowards, and cowards will not preserve it")
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Now what did you have to go and do that for.

Now I've got to go and wonder why mean ol' Jim Rob banned Sabertooth..

20 posted on 08/27/2005 10:03:48 PM PDT by Experiment 6-2-6 (When the disbeliever sees this, he will say, 'How nice if I was also turned into sand.')
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To: balch3
Darwinists runing scared Bump!
Darwinists rolling on the floor laughing at idiots Bump!
21 posted on 08/27/2005 10:06:12 PM PDT by blowfish
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To: Lexinom
The Word also speaks of three different heaven/earth ages.

There was a catastrophic event that killed off all life in the FIRST heaven/earth age prior to man ever being form in the flesh. The dinos were around in the FIRST heaven/earth age.

Genesis 1:2 is describing that event, with follow up descriptions elsewhere planted within the Word.

Creationists do themselves no service claiming that the dino's were around during this heaven/earth age.

What evolutionists reject is the Heavenly Father did do what He said He did.
22 posted on 08/27/2005 10:07:09 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Wormwood
In other news, two morons do their part to ruin the world for the rest of us. Who are the morons you speak about?
23 posted on 08/27/2005 10:19:33 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: Clemenza
Moron alert!

What are you talking about? What do you mean by 'Moron alert!'?

24 posted on 08/27/2005 10:21:32 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide

"The Texas museum sponsors a continuing hunt for living pterodactyls in Papua New Guinea. Baugh said five colleagues have spotted the flying dinosaurs, "but all the sightings were made after dark, and we were not able to capture the creatures.""

The are hunting for dinosaurs in Papua New Guinea but can not afford nightvision/IR cameras?


25 posted on 08/27/2005 10:23:23 PM PDT by SolarisRocks
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To: Lexinom

macroevolution is a myth? Sorry to bust your bubble...

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/


26 posted on 08/27/2005 10:31:13 PM PDT by warpsmith
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To: Just mythoughts

Genesis 1:2 doesn't even come close to describing such an event.


27 posted on 08/27/2005 10:34:33 PM PDT by Fatalist (60 in 06)
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To: Fatalist

Really, what does without form and void mean?


28 posted on 08/27/2005 10:36:32 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts

It means just what it says - the earth was a lump of rock awaiting God to give it form. God had just created it and was now going to form it and populate it. There is absolutely nothing in the text to suggest that the earth had form or life prior to this.


29 posted on 08/27/2005 10:44:25 PM PDT by Fatalist (60 in 06)
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To: Fatalist
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD That created the heavens; God Himself That formed the earth and made it: He hath established it, He created it NOT in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.


The "in vain" is the same as used in Genesis 1:2 does in fact describe an event which cause the earth to become without form and void = waste.

One might call what follows Genesis 1:2 an environmental clean up.
30 posted on 08/27/2005 10:54:19 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Fatalist
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Just something to think about...

31 posted on 08/27/2005 10:56:15 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Wormwood

more proof that money and brains are not necissarily correlated.


32 posted on 08/27/2005 10:58:22 PM PDT by bigsigh
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To: bigsigh

nor spelling


33 posted on 08/27/2005 10:58:38 PM PDT by bigsigh
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To: Just mythoughts
The "in vain" is the same as used in Genesis 1:2 does in fact describe an event which cause the earth to become without form and void = waste.

You're saying the Hebrew rendered as "in vain" in Isaiah 45:18 is the same word rendered as "void" in Genesis 1:2? And the word implies an actual event? If so, there seems to be a great deal lost in the translation - neither rendering implies a cataclysmic event. It's late, or I'd look into this more, but it really doesn't look like Isaiah is saying anything here other than the fact that God had a purpose in creating the Earth.

Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Just something to think about...

To my knowledge the only translations that render it "replenish" are modern revisions of the KJV. The NKJV, NASB, NIV and 1611 KJV (I believe - I'm not 100% certain on that last one) all render it "fill".

34 posted on 08/27/2005 11:33:50 PM PDT by Fatalist (60 in 06)
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To: Crackingham
Rare photo from 6004 B.C.


35 posted on 08/27/2005 11:36:31 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (Why are we "freepers"? Shouldn't we be "freereps"? Are we dyslexic?)
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To: Just mythoughts

Just realized the quote from Genesis 1:28 wasn't from you. Sorry about that.


36 posted on 08/27/2005 11:46:13 PM PDT by Fatalist (60 in 06)
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To: Iscool
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Just something to think about...

To my knowledge the only translations that render it "replenish" are modern revisions of the KJV. The NKJV, NASB, NIV and 1611 KJV (I believe - I'm not 100% certain on that last one) all render it "fill".

37 posted on 08/27/2005 11:47:14 PM PDT by Fatalist (60 in 06)
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To: decal

"Joe Barbera wrote Genesis??"

Well he a "creator" to Fred Flintstone.


38 posted on 08/28/2005 12:01:52 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Fatalist; Just mythoughts; Iscool
Genesis 1:2 doesn't even come close to describing such an event.

For your perusing pleasure:

notes on Isaiah 45:18
This Is From The Companion Bible.

Isaiah 45:18

   18.  For thus saith  1 the LORD °That created the heavens; God Himself  °That formed the earth and °made it; he hath established it, °He created it not °in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: " I am  1 the LORD;
and there is none else.

   That created = the Creator of.   Note how these expressions are heaped together to impress us with the fact that the One Who created all ought to be able to tell us, better than ignorant man, how He created it.
   That formed = The Former of.      Hebrew yazar = to fashion.
   made = the Maker of.      He created. It did not come of itself by evolution (see Appendix 5 and 8). Reference to Pentateuch (Genesis 1:
1)
   in vain = tohu. The same word as in Genesis 1:
2 ("without form"). Therefore it must have become tohu: which is exactly what Genesis 1:2 declares (See Below). In Genesis 1:1 we have "the world that then was" (compare 2Peter 3:6); and in verse 2 we have ruin into which it fell.

   We are not told how, when, or why, or how long it lasted. When geologists have settled how many years they require, they may place them between verses 1 and 2 of Genesis 1.

   In Genesis 1:2-2:4, we have "the heavens and the earth which are now" of 2Peter 3:7. Both are set in contrast with the "new heavens and the new earth" of 2Peter 3:13.

   1The Lord  =  Hebrew; Yehovah


notes on Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.
This Is From The Companion Bible.

1.  IN the beginning °God °created °the heaven and the earth.
2.  °And °the earth °was °without form, and void; and darkness °was upon the °face of the deep.
And °the Spirit of God moved upon the °face of the waters.

   1.  "THE WORLD THAT THEN WAS" (2Peter 3:5,6). See Structure, page 1. Creation in eternity past, to which all Fossils and "Remains" belongs.

   God. Hebrew Elohim, plural. First occurence connects it with creation, and denotes, by usage, the Creator in relation to His creatures. See Appendix 4. The Hebrew accent Athnach places the emphasis, and gives pause, on "God" as being Himself the great worker, separating the Worker from His work.

   created (sing.). Occurs 6 times in this Introduction. Other acts 46 times. See Appendix 5. Perfection implied. Deuteronomy 32:4. 2Samuel 22:31. Job 38:7. Pslams 111; 147:3-5. Proverbs 3:19. Ecclesiastes 3:11-14. [Even the Greek Cosmos = ornament. Exodus 33:4-6. Isaiah 49:18. Jeremiah 4:30. Ezekiel 7:20. 1Peter 3:3]

   the heaven and the earth. With Hebrew Particle 'eth before each, emphasising the Article "the", and thus distinguishing both from 2:1. "Heavens" in Hebrew always in plural. See note on Deuteronomy 4:26.


   2.  And. Note the Figure of Speech Polysyndeton (See appendix 6), by which, in the 34 verses of this Introduction, each one of 102 separate acts are emphasised; and the important word "God" in verse 1 is carried like a lamp through the whole of this Introduction (1:1 - 2:3).

   the earth. Figure of Speech Anadiplosis. See appendix 6.

   was = become. See Genesis 2:7; 4:3; 9:15; 19:26. Exodus 32:1. Deuteronomy 27:9. 2Samuel 7:24, etc. Also rendered came to pass, Genesis 4:14; 22:1; 23:1; 27:1. Joshua 4:1; 5:1. 1Kings 13:32. Isaiah 14:24 etc. Also rendered be (in the sense of become), verse 3 etc., and where the verb "to be" is not in italic type. Hence, Exodus 3:1, kept=became keeper, quit = become men, etc. See Appendix 7.

   without form = waste. Hebrew tohu va bohu. Figure of Speech Paronomasia See appendix 6. Not created tohu (Isaiah 45:18 See Above), but became tohu (Genesis 1:2. 2Peter 3:5,6). "An enemy hath done this" (Matthew 13:25,28,39. compare 1Corithians 14:33). See Appendix 8.

   was. This is the italic type, because no verb "to be" in Hebrew (see Appendix 7). In like manner man became a ruin (Genesis 3. Psalms 14:1-3; 51:5; 53:1-3. Ecclesiastes 7:20. Romans 7:18).

   face. Figure of Speech Pleonasm. See appendix 6.

   the Spirit of God moved (see Appendix 9) = The beginning of "the heavens and the earth which are now" (2Peter 3:7). It is even so in the New Creation. The Spirit moves (John 3:3-8. Romans 8:5,9,14. Galatians 4:29. 2Corinthians 5:17,18).

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39 posted on 08/28/2005 12:10:35 AM PDT by BikerTrash (Enough already with the carnival freak show...bring back COOL!)
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To: Crackingham
T. Rex?

OK then, to paraphrase Marc Bolan, you won't fool the children of the macroevolution. Boogie on!

40 posted on 08/28/2005 12:14:36 AM PDT by buickmackane
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To: rawhide
Any brain dead sub 50 IQ knuckle dragger who believes that Dinosaurs and men lived at the same time, despite mountains of scientific evidence to the contrary.

Man, these fools are laughable. Probably the same folks who put all their money in gold before Y2K.

41 posted on 08/28/2005 12:19:19 AM PDT by Clemenza (Proud "Free Traitor" & Capitalist Pig)
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To: abbi_normal_2; adam_az; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; alphadog; AMDG&BVMH; amom; AndreaZingg; ...
Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.

List of Ping lists

42 posted on 08/28/2005 12:20:38 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (Deep within every dilemma is a solution that involves explosives)
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To: Clemenza

choose what you want to believe. doesn't bother or impact me. (and i haven't stated my position.) both take equal faith but one sounds less preponderous because a 'billion years' is a really, really long time -- so it must be more reasonable.

once those harvard folk determine the 'origin of life' let me know when they conclusively find the origin of time, space, and matter.

for these people in the forum to think that debating evolution/creationism is going to change anyone's mind is silly. a person's worldview (either side) better not be so flimsily based in their life.


43 posted on 08/28/2005 1:10:26 AM PDT by kpp_kpp
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To: Clemenza
Any brain dead sub 50 IQ knuckle dragger who believes that Dinosaurs and men lived at the same time, despite mountains of scientific evidence to the contrary. Man, these fools are laughable. Probably the same folks who put all their money in gold before Y2K.

Well, I happen to believe that! And I am not brain dead as you might suppose.

There is no scientific evidence to prove they did not live together. Give me the mountains of evidence to back up your statement. The problem with people like you is you go around shooting your mouth off, backing up nothing. Just repeating the same drivel that others spew out, thinking that if you say it enough times, it will become the truth. Just saying it to be so, does not make it so!

I happen to believe in the Bible, where in Genesis, God created everything in the first 6 days. I put my faith in God, instead of the lies of men.

Laugh all you want, deny it all you want, but you will find you were wrong about this, in the future. I guarantee that!

By the way, I did not put my money into gold before Y2K.

My trust is in the Lord, not man nor money!

44 posted on 08/28/2005 1:22:35 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: Crackingham
This is the sort of thing that I hate to see. "Creationists" who don't know their Bibles.

The Bible alludes to a creation (possibly many) that occured before Adam ever set foot on Earth.

Evolutionists are wrong.

Young Earth creationists are too.

45 posted on 08/28/2005 1:32:02 AM PDT by nightdriver
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To: nightdriver

Careful 'nightdriver' in what you are saying. I have a website that you might find interesting and educational that will hopefully answer just about every question you have concerning creation:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/qa.asp


46 posted on 08/28/2005 1:42:40 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: freepatriot32

BTTT!!!!!


47 posted on 08/28/2005 3:05:32 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: SolarisRocks

They were babies


48 posted on 08/28/2005 3:25:12 AM PDT by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: Clemenza
Moron alert!

Indeed. I won't be bothering the evolution ping list for this ... ah, material.

49 posted on 08/28/2005 3:30:57 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: Just mythoughts

Read Job chapters 40 and 41 and then say that.


50 posted on 08/28/2005 3:31:05 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (OUT OF ORDER)
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