Now ... about the reason for this tour (THE FAIR TAX FROM NEAL BOORTZ WEB PAGE)

Nealz Nuze ^ | 8/25/05 | Neal Boortz

[Always Right]

The original poster who daily posted the sales tax propaganda was Chief Negotiator. He died tragically in an arson fire probably about 4 years ago. It came out from his widow that he received several hundred bucks a month from a sales tax organization to post on free republic. He was a true believer and his support wasn't because of the money, but it is ironic that fairy taxers accuse their opponents of doing what they do.

[lewislynn]

Some have falsely claimed that the FairTax promises more money to consumers than what is available.

The Fairtax Director of Research does exactly that.

Don't take my word for it. At the bottom of this page She refers Claire Wolfe to this site for comparing the Fairtax to the income tax. In EACH and EVERY EXAMPLE she shows the fairtax "spendable income" is MORE than the wage earner's gross income from wages...

In some of the examples, for some selective reason, she subtracts 15.3% from the gross income and others she only subtracts 7.65% from the gross...

Maybe the "director of research" could explain where all the extra welfare money for everyone would come from...

Everywhere you look at the fairtax there are no facts, there's only fraud, lies and distortions....Their work resembles a bunch of grade school kids trying to do a school project but can't figure out how to go about it so they just make things up as they go along...

[RobFromGa]

Some have falsely claimed that the FairTax promises more money to consumers than what is available.

In a desire to be fairly complete, here are a few more "FairTax promises" from the FairTax Book:

p 116: "Shall we go through that exercise again? Houses will cost slightly less because the embedded tax cost of 23 percent is slightly less than the current embedded cost of the IRS on new costruction. If you're making $60,000 per year, you're currently taking home $3,800 per month to pay your mortgage and other bills. Under the FairTax, you'll take home $5,000 (emphasis added)-- and you'll pay less in interest because rates will decline about 30%"

page 117: "more disposable income"

p 120: (bold emphasis by Boortz/Linder): "why not throw in some bold types and italics...when we all start getting 100 percent of our earned income in our paychecks..."

p 138 (such a good one, I had to repeat it): "The Fairtax would give the average income worker a 50 percent increase in take-home pay".

p 160: "once these embedded taxes are removed, the price of new homes will drop immediately. In the final analysis, a new home complete with the inclusive FairTax, may cost less than that house would have cost under our current cost structure.

Again, remember that under the new system, you'll be getting 100 percent of your paycheck. If you're making $60,000 per year, instead of taking home around $3,800 per month...under the FairTax you'll take home $5,000 per month. Interest rates will decline by about 30 percent, so your payments will be lower... You'll be getting that sales tax prebate check or credit every month"

page 165: "How will the switch to the FairTax be made?

"On January 1, we'll begin to get our gross pay with no deductions."

In Chapter 12 about "The Opposition", they state: "It would be easy in this chapter to name names, to call those opposed to the FairTax out of their foxholes to fight with us out in the open where everyone can watch. The talkshow guy likes this approach-- after all, that's basically how he makes his living."

Well that's all I'm doing. I am debating the plan out in the open.

[lewislynn]

"It would be easy in this chapter to name names, to call those opposed to the FairTax out of their foxholes to fight with us out in the open where everyone can watch. The talkshow guy likes this approach-- after all, that's basically how he makes his living."

robfromga:

Well that's all I'm doing. I am debating the plan out in the open.

You sure are pal.

"fight with us out in the open where everyone can watch. The talkshow guy likes this approach

Apparently not. I know you invited them, so where's the big mouth talkshow guy and the US Congressman now with the answers to your questions?...

[Sprite518]

Last time I checked Rob Boortz, along with Dr J are pro fair tax. What is your solution besides nothing? You do manipulate words because A) you do not understand embedded taxes, or B) you are not telling the truth. I would like to believe it is the former.. Nevertheless, pick your poison neither is flattering.

Why you like the Karl Marx tax is beyond me??

[pigdog]

Uhhh - Looey - neither Boortz or Linder are on this thread. If you'd like to talk with Boortz, why don't you call in to his radio show???

As it is, you're just talking to the four walls.

[Conservative Goddess]

"What was the top Federal Income tax rate 100 years ago?"

There was no income tax 100 years ago. The 16th Amendment, which cleared the way for a the Federal government to tax the citizens directly in an unapportioned fashion, was ratified in 1913. The text of the amendment can be found here: http://federalistpatriot.us/histdocs/amendments.htm

Prior to the ratification of the 16th, the Feds were limited to taxes of two distinct varieties: A Direct but apportioned tax such as a head tax.....and a uniform tax such as a duty, impost or excise. Both types of taxes were assessed without regard to income.

Amazing isn't it that our country existed for over 100 years with no income tax at all?

[Conservative Goddess]

There is no such thing as a free lunch. The forest for the trees view is this:

The FairTax is calculated to be revenue neutral. That means that it will take NO MORE from the economy (tax wedge) than our current monstrosity. That said, the gross purchasing power of the American people as a whole will remain unchanged. There will however, be shifts in the incidence (economist-speak for who actually pays the tax) of the Federal tax burden.

Because FICA and Medicare taxes (Widely acknowledged to be THE most regressive taxes we inflict upon ourselves) will be repealed, the lower income earners will see a net increase in their purchasing power. This results from the combined effect of the Payroll tax repeal, the prebate, and being able to take home their entire check sans deductions for Federal Income Tax.

The middle class will probably see little change in their absolute purchasing power, but will see increased job opportunity and their retirement investments will probably perform better than under our current system.

The losers in this plan are the Ta-RAY-za Heinz - Kerry - Heinz's. Those who currently garner their spending money from tax free sources will, for the first time in a long time, be taxed; contributing not only to general federal revenues but programs like Social Security and Medicare. Those are the people who will scream bloody murder.

[Cobra64]

I knew the answer but the question was of rhetorical nature. It would be interesting if there were more than a handfull of people who knew this. I read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights in high school. Seems to me that no one cares anymore.

[pigdog]

Let's get your fact straighter Rongie. Chief posted for a number of years on FR in support of the FairTax. Something like a month or two before he died under suspicious circumstances in a fire, he took a job with AFFT and after that didn't post nearly as much since he was quite busy.

Working for AFFT he was not paid to post on FR at all. Nice try, but that's one man's history you don't get to trash.

[pigdog]

Why agree to any such things ... there are other possibliities that you haven't considered.

Guess you can't/won't admit that since you believe you are the world's expert on the FairTax.

[pigdog]

Are you trying to argue somehow that the FairTax will not greatly aid most taxpayers and the entire economy???

Well, gee, Rob ... let's see your plan then - in detail. Preferably as a bill in Congress. Where's the beef, pal???