Posted on 08/25/2005 10:01:56 AM PDT by swarthyguy
Not the Pakistanis fault, if they choose to prevaricate, and we believe them.....
A little from columna A, and a lot from column B.
If history is a guide...Id say he's lying.
ping to read later
Bingo.
Janus Musharraf.
Since he has two faces, does he have 18 lives?
Ah. Mushie is a tease...
We are nearing this point right now....it will be four years since we set out to kill or capture OBL and Zawahiri....this will no doubt be the last anniversary that passes without those two either dead or in US custody. It is becoming to much of a political liability ...and Bush will want it settled before he leaves office in '08..
>>We allow 500+ ISI and Pakistani military advisers helping the Taliban
Indian intel maintains that it was more in the thousands; entire units of the Pakistani army that had been seconded to the Taliban.
In Robin Moore's The Hunt for Bin Ladin, he describes how US SF forces, after reviewing many battle scenes where air power had devastated TalibPakiJihadi forces, were astonished to find many of the fighters in Paki Army uniforms with insignia ripped off - from miltary style sweaters, to certain equipment, and even Paki stationary and some comm equipment.
>>Bush will want it settled before he leaves office in '08..
I would think so. It's Legacy time. And not having those two will be forever contrasted with the statements made in the immediate aftermath of the Attacks.
Question is, have the jihadis and sympathetic generals grown stronger in the hiatus, or weaker.
For instance, HizbTahrir is making great inroads into erstwhile secular or moderate, educated, professionals in Pakistan.
Mushie is getting pushed to the cliffs edge...and will soon be asked to make a decision.
"I will not leave a problem for the next President...."
He won't either.
I was being "Conservative" in my numbers, I had heard between 600 - 1000. Your number does not surprise me. Is Moore's book any good?
Yes, I enjoyed it. The only comprehensive look at the successful campaign to overthrow the Talib, and the unsuccessful one to nail Osama. Perhaps a little dated now, since there are other efforts out there about that time period, specifically the one by Schoen and the one awaiting approval by the CIA, by Bernsten.
Some other reads that were useful:
AQ's Great Escape - Christopher Smucker
The Interrogators - Greg Mackey (Macky)
I also read SAAG.ORG for some, IMO, great backgrounders and updates on Pakistan and Jihad in general. Raman's archived articles are priceless.
The airspace over Kunduz was left clear and open for 24 hours plus.
Contrary to reports here, huge Ilyushins provided by Victor Bout, and contracted to the Paki Military (even they weren't cheeky enough to use Pakistani planes, apparently, and may not have had the airlift capacity required to evacuate thru their c-130's), with numerous flights landing and extracting Paki army personnel from Kunduz at the height of the US air umbrella over Afghanistan.
Thanks now I'll go get the book .... I believe your statement and I can only imagine the numbers evacuted on the GROUND ..... maybe the Indian number is low.
Musharraf cannot be trusted. Vajpayee learned the hard way during Kargil. (But you know this already.)
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