FBI Looking Into Calif. Grocery Store Owner Said to Lead U.S. Branch of Radical Islamic Group

Associated Press ^ | Aug 24, 2005 | Anon

[Pharmboy]

LOS ANGELES (AP) - The FBI has launched an inquiry into the activities of a grocery store owner who is allegedly the U.S. leader of a radical Islamic group banned in parts of Europe and the Middle East, authorities said. Iyad Hilal, an Islamic author and philosopher who owns an Orange County market, hasn't drawn much attention to his writings or his role in the group, Hizb ut-Tahrir, which means Party of Liberation.

But since the July 7 bombings in London, British Prime Minister Tony Blair has suggested banning the group there.

Hilal is apparently not suspected of any terrorist acts, but FBI terrorism investigators want to know more about his and the group's activities.

FBI spokeswoman Cathy Viray declined to call it an investigation but confirmed that "we're looking into the matter." She declined to comment further.

Hilal, 56, has lived in the United States for about 20 years and is an Islamic scholar whose writings argue that the religion is not compatible with democracy.

Georgetown University professor John Esposito, author of "Unholy War on Terror in the Name of Islam," said the group saw most Muslim countries as not following Islamic law.

"Theirs is a rigorous, hard-line view of the kind of government they want to see implemented in Muslim countries," he said. "To them democracy is a good thing for the West, but Islam doesn't need it."

The group advocates a return to the days when all Muslims were governed by a religious leader known as the caliph.

In a 1992 essay, Hilal wrote that Western countries contradicted the teachings of Islam.

Salam Al-Marayati, spokesman for the Muslim Public Affairs Council in Los Angeles, said he did not believe Hizb ut-Tahrir advocated terrorism in the United States, but said he was not surprised the FBI was looking into the group.

"People in Washington think that those who want an Islamic state are terrorists. That's not always the case," Marayati said.

Radical cleric Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed, former head of Hizb ut-Tahrir in England, identified Hilal as leader of the U.S. branch in a 2004 interview with the Terrorism Monitor, published by the Jamestown Foundation in Washington.

[Pharmboy]

...but his fresh fruit and vegetables are terrific.

[conservativewasp]

""People in Washington think that those who want an Islamic state are terrorists. That's not always the case," Marayati said"

Yes it is, Islam is a terrorist organization.

[Michael Goldsberry]

""People in Washington think that those who want an Islamic state are terrorists. That's not always the case," Marayati said."

People in Washington think that muslims won't sometimes lie through their teeth in order to promote Mohammed's agenda. That's not always the case.

[EggsAckley]

"an Islamic scholar whose writings argue that the religion is not compatible with democracy"

So why is he living in the US? I'll never understand these hypocrits.

[over3Owithabrain]

Have you tried the falafel? It's da bomb...

[Pharmboy]

Yes indeed...that's what struck me. Apparently these Islamists are not satisfied practicing their religion in their own homes within their own countries. No--they must take over our countries according to their religion.

[Owl_Eagle]

I was going to make a really funny joke about Hilal meats, but this jerk and his stupid last name just made it to confusing.  He should go to jail for that alone.

Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)

[EggsAckley]

Yeah, and here's another little gem: "In a 1992 essay, Hilal wrote that Western countries contradicted the teachings of Islam."

[velocityguy]

So apparently, Mr.Marayati seem to know about this guy's activities for some time. however, he still did not have the coutesy to inform FBI about who is currently invoved with organizations such as Hizb.

[cricket]

So Blair is going to make this group unlawful. . .

soooooo; they will move here instead?

What/when are we going to 'get serious' with these people as well. (Of course, we have to be careful; where would 'Hollywood' go. . .)

[Pharmboy]

Can't it be interpreted that these groups advocate the overthrow of our government? And isn't that illegal?

[yoe]

(virtual library on Islam) - thanks to Freeper backhoe.

[Binghamton_native]

To replace the US Constitution with Sharia...how about subversive if not terrorist?

[Bigh4u2]

The bigger question is how did this information become public?

If there really is an FBI investigation, why in the world would they let the information out?

Something doesn't sit right here!

[daybreakcoming]

People in Washington think that muslims won't sometimes lie through their teeth in order to promote Mohammed's agenda.

"People in Washington" do not think anyone else lies better than themselves.

[kjo]

If this guy doesn't like it here he should leave. It's not OK to live here, make money, and work against who and what we are. Get out.

[EggsAckley]

It's not OK to live here, make money, and work against who and what we are.

"Eggsackley!"

[cricket]

Can't it be interpreted that these groups advocate the overthrow of our government? And isn't that illegal

As far as I know. . .and a 'you would think'. . .but with Liberal interpretations debated re the meaning of 'is'. . .perhaps that is too much to expect.

GW said. . .'with us' or against us'. . .and it would seem these folks by their own words and deeds; meet the standard of 'enemy' and should be dealt with accordingly.

[samadams2000]

I'm sure its all just another misunderstanding. Where's CAIR???

[mlc9852]

That is exactly what they want and won't stop (unless someone stops them first) until will all live under Islamic rule. But let's just keep building those mosques.

[cricket]

"I'm sure its all just another misunderstanding. Where's CAIR???"

Busy hugging as many anti-America/anti-Israel, marxist/nazis as they can. . .

[ncountylee]

"The group advocates a return to the days when all Muslims were governed by a religious leader known as the caliph."

That enough to ship him out!

[Fitzcarraldo]

G-I-T-M-O!

[BunnySlippers]

is an Islamic scholar whose writings argue that the religion is not compatible with democracy.

We KNOOOW that!

[teawithmisswilliams]

"...an Islamic scholar whose writings argue that the religion is not compatible with democracy"

I agree with this guy: Islam is most definitely "not compatible" with democracy.

[Pharmboy]

Yep...and I hear the meals are yummy!

[Pharmboy]

Hardly compatible with CIVILIZATION, much less democracy...

[teawithmisswilliams]

Hardly compatible with CIVILIZATION, much less democracy...

Agreed, and yet we still allow muslims to immigrate here legally (not to mention the jihadis that are sneaking over our porous borders)...

[Publius6961]

"People in Washington think that those who want an Islamic state are terrorists. That's not always the case," Marayati said.

Oh yes it is.
Islam has no qualms whatsoever about using force if necessary in order to expand. That is a historical fact. The only time islam has had a quiescent period is after a great and decisive military defeat.

Shari'a Law and Constitutional Republics are antithecal, contradictory, irreconcilable. Did I say mutually exclusive?

I would allow islam to expand in my country by persuasion, but if and only if all 58 islamic countries did likewise with other religions.

[Publius6961]

Wish I knew how I did that...

[teawithmisswilliams]

I would allow islam to expand in my country by persuasion, but if and only if all 58 islamic countries did likewise with other religions.

My view is that islam can't be spread without violence or the threat of violence, and that's why it's so intolerant.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Well....damn...

We were just talking about this guy after the John Loftus appearance on KFI's John and Ken show last week!

And he owns a produce store?

See this:

Terrorist Cell and Terrorist Recruiter in Orange County
from LAGUNA BEACH CALIFORNIA..
.The Laguna Journal

[kellynla]

what's the address?

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Capturing the story and some good links.

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LAGUNA BEACH CALIFORNIA

 

A LOCAL NEWS GATHERING ORGANIZATION

 Michael Webster: Publisher mvwsr@aol.com  (949) 494-7121 www.michaelwebster.net 

Laguna Beach Visitors Bureau

 

Terrorist Cell and Terrorist Recruiter in Orange County  

 Michael Webster: Investigative Reporter

wibcom@aol.com  

John Loftus said on the live national radio talk show coast to coast with host George Noory,  he stated, " I know for sure that a Terrorist cell is operating in Orange County Mosques and is recruiting young Moslems." Its also believed both American born and non- American born youth are receiving terrorist training.  Mr. Loftus claims that the cell is operating openly and freely with no apparent investigation by law enforcement. This is potentially a very dangerous situation that needs attention by Federal, State and Local law enforcement. Its believed to be a large cell operating with a number of locally recruited and trained terrorist who could strike anywhere at anytime if unabated. John Loftus has more inside information on the terrorists abroad and at home, and asks, "When are we going to wake up?"  

In June, he warned of the London bombings, and now has more on what we can expect in our country and right here in Orange County

  John Loftus is President of the IntelligenceSummit.org, and can be heard weeknights on ABC's John Batchelor program. John said, I hate to say this, but I think the FBI has been asleep at the switch. A lot of people, including my private investigator Bill Warner, who I think is the best PI in America, have said there's been a real problem with the FBI leadership in Washington. People can't get search warrants in time. If it happens outside the FBI, it doesn't get pursued. If it's not invented here, it's not touched, it's put on the back burner. Unfortunately, we're in a position where we can't allow that kind of luxury any more. Because the same organizations in the United States are directly linked to the ones in London that just pulled off the subway bombings. 

Al-Muhajiroun 

According to John Al-Muhajiroun  are here in America, and the successor organizations.  These groups have been desecrating the American flag, and have demanded an Islamic nation in the United States.

Hizb al-Tahrir And al-Tahrir 

Al-Muhajiroun has offices in both New York and London. They were the parent organization, the Finsbury Mosque, of the subway bombings. Their leadership in New York was responsible for planning the subway bombings. What we're finding out is that they have a sister organization called Hizb al-Tahrir. And al-Tahrir is, if you will, the operational or training arm, Muhajiroun is the recruiting arm. Now the Russian Secret Service says that Hizb al-Tahrir is the secret radical arm of the Muslim brotherhood. This is the granddaddy of all the terrorist organizations. It goes back to the old Arab Nazi movement of the 1940s. And they worked for the British Secret Service. Then our CIA dumped them in Saudi Arabia, where they were running schools for young kids like Usama Bin Laden. But these folks have come home to roost. We have found out definitely, Bill Warner has found, that the new elected leader of the terrorist group Hizb al-Tahrir lives in Orange County, California. And that he has direct ties with the same groups in London. In fact, the group, the Islamic Thinkers Society in New York--that used to be the address, the post office box, of Iyad Kilal, also called Abu Tarik. And he lives at 500 Gerry Street, in La Habra, Orange County California--

  Jihad

Mr. LOFTUS said  we've found out that this same guy, Iyad Hilal, has been the author of a book on self-study on how to become an Islamic extremist, if you will. And that one of his early neighbors at a previous address was a young kid named Adam Pearlman, who's now known as Azzam the American, who became an Al-Qaeda member and promised that America will see a new wave of terror, and that the streets will run with blood. Now he was recruited into Muslim society at the mosques where this same guy, Iyad Hilal, was one of the instructors. So the leader of the most radical terrorist arm of the same groups that did the London subway bombing, has a whole cell going in Orange County, California, and has recruited terrorists there. When are we going to wake up?  

Connecting The Dots

So it can now be presumed that Al-Muhajiroun and Hizb al-Tahrir.has cells in at least New York, England, Germany and Orange County California. Al-Muhajiroun and Hizb al-Tahrir were the parent organization, of the Finsbury Mosque, they were the London subway bombers. Their leadership in New York was responsible for planning the subway bombings.  And that there sister organizations are Hizb al-Tahrir and al-Tahrir if you will, is the operational or training arm, and Al-Muhajiroun is the recruiting arm. Add that the Russian Secret Service says that Hizb al-Tahrir is the secret radical arm of the Muslim brotherhood... and the new elected leader of the terrorist group Hizb al-Tahrir in America is allegedly Iyad Kilal, and that he lives in La Habra in Orange County, California. And that he has direct ties with the same groups in London and the Islamic Thinkers Society in New York. Iyad Kilal, is also called Abu Tarik.

 MOSQUES 

Orange County's Mosques that Iyad Kilal, also called Abu Tarik may have instructed or attended are: Islamic Educational Center of Orange County Costa Mesa 

• Islamic Educational Center-Orange

,  Darul-Uloom, Santa Ana 

• Darul-Uloom
• Al-Noor Foundation

, and OCI Foundation, Mission Viejo.

   Attempted contact of the above Orange County Mosques by phone was made by the Journal and were answered by machines. By publishing time no return calls had been received by the Journal.

 LEADERS CHARGED WITH PROTECTING US AGAINST TERRORIST ATTACKS

     FBI Director Mueller 

An attempt was made to contact the Local FBI by phone at their offices in Santa Ana California. The Journal was directed by a answering machine to call the L.A. FBI office. Which we did. A male voice answered. The Journal reporter  Identified himself and asked to talk with an FBI agent. The reporter had to ask several times if he was speaking to an FBI agent. After several minutes he was finally transferred to who claimed to be the FBI Duty Agent. The FBI Duty Agent said, he did not know of this terrorist cell nor had he heard of Iyad Kilal, also called Abu Tarik. The Journal then offered the information and content of this story. The Duty agent took the information reluctantly and without further inquiry.

Willie Hulon,
Assistant Director,
Counterterrorism Division

 According to Willie Hulon, Assistant Director of Counterterrorism Division's web page stated "the FBI is part of a vast national and international campaign dedicated to defeating terrorism. Working hand-in-hand with partners in law enforcement, intelligence, the military, and diplomatic circles, our job is to neutralize terrorist cells and operatives here in the U.S. and to help dismantle terrorist networks worldwide. " However if the press or the public can't reach them to report terror, and if they show little or no interest. How will they be able to accomplish their mission and protect American citizens. I can't help but wonder had this been an terrorist related life threatening emergency how could it had worked any better?

- Federal Bureau of Investigation Home Page
Seeking Terrorism Info

 

Homeland Security Office has not returned our calls as of yet. More then 72 hours has past with no response from DHS.  http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/display?theme=29 
Homeland Security Secretary: Michael Chertoff

 

 

 

 

 

 The Journal was able to contact the Orange County Sheriff's office  Sunday and spoke with watch commander Lt. Boyne, who said he did not know of the Terrorist cell in question. However he was the 1st law enforcement officer that showed any interest and did take the information. 

www.ocsd.org.

Sheriff's Terrorism Commentary  

 

 

 

   Orange County Sheriff Michael S. Carona

The La Habra Police Chief Dennis Kis said, his dept through one of his watch commanders received a  tip in the form of a phone call from a resident of Marina del Rey about a week ago. The Gerry street address was then checked out by his officers and the subject in question was not living there. And the chief was not sure if the subject had lived there at any time in the past. "there is a couple living there now and they checked out OK. However we did turn the matter over to the joint FBI task force on terrorism." He also said, he believed the couple was recently on the popular John and Ken radio talk show on a LA radio station KFI. He believes the task force will keep him informed or if they need his help they will contact his dept.

   read more  

 John Loftus as a former Justice Department prosecutor, John Loftus once held some of the highest security clearances in the world, with special access to NATO Cosmic, CIA codeword, and Top Secret Nuclear files. As a private attorney, he works without charge to help hundreds of intelligence agents obtain lawful permission to declassify and publish the hidden secrets of our times. He is the author of four history books, three of which have been made into films, two were international best sellers, and one was nominated for the Pulitzer Prize.

 John Loftus can be reached at http://www.john-loftus.com /

 This is a developing story. Iyad Hilal if your reading this I would like to interview you and hear your side. Anyone with reliable information on this story contact the Laguna Journal’s investigative reporter Michael Webster at wibcom@aol.com  

Related history of Islamic Brother lyad Hilal and the alleged new elected leader in America of the terrorist group Hizb al-Tahrir and that it is believed he lives in Orange County, California.  :

• EDITOR'S CHOICE: Islamic Jurisprudence (part 14)
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• MPACUK
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[doug from upland]

"People in Washington think that those who want an Islamic state are terrorists. That's not always the case," Marayati said.
==================================================

People in Washington think that those who jump from airplanes with faulty parachutes are going to go splat. That's not always the case.

[Brad's Gramma]

Thanks for the link, Ernest.

[BurbankKarl]

and DFU had that thread pulled

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

What address, ...the grocery store?

[kellynla]

What address, ...the grocery store?
yep!

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

So what does the Orange County Register have as its Above the fold story this morning?.....

Milestone for Muslims

A colorful, Andalusian-style minaret was hoisted up and slipped into place Tuesday morning at the Islamic Institute of Orange County in Anaheim.

Text by ANN PEPPER
Photos by BRUCE CHAMBERS
The Orange County Register

A 38-foot minaret was hoisted Tuesday atop the newly completed Omar Al Farouk Mosque at the Islamic Institute of Orange County in Anaheim. It is covered in a 1,200-year-old pattern created from Moroccan tiles. Traditionally, minarets are used to call the faithful to prayer and are the most widely recognized symbol of an Islamic house of worship. About 170,000 Muslims live in Orange County, with many living in the Anaheim area. About 1,200 are part of the community around the IIOC.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

You will need to go to the link for the picture, I guess!

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

More on our friends here:

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The mosque

Name: Omar Al Farouk Mosque

Location: 1220 N. State College Blvd., Anaheim

Size: 32,000 square feet. It is the second-largest of O.C.'s 14 mosques after the Islamic Society of Orange County in Garden Grove.

Construction began: July 2001

Construction cost: $5 million, donated by the local community

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

I don't have it, but Michael Webster in Lagunda might....although he hasn't gotten in contact yet with Iyad Hilal!

Anyone know this Michael Webster in Laguna Beach?

[null and void]

...but his fresh fruit and vegetables are terrific.

Ping

[Brad's Gramma]

Nope. Not I.

[Brad's Gramma]

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Well how did you do that,....I decided they had it locked down with the javascript....

Can you believe there are 14 mosques in little ole Orange County?

[Brad's Gramma]

There was < /a> at the end of the address...I deleted that and my special powers came in. ;)

NO I CANNOT believe there's that many!!!!!!! Hot dang. Between this and the illegals...I'm tellin' ya!!!!!!!

[Brad's Gramma]

Turn on kfi. NOW. They're talking about this.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Well, I missed it, but I did catch the beginning of a conversation about Big Foot....LOL!