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100 to 1, Crowd Backs Paid Sick Days (Madison, WI)
Madison.com ^ | August 23, 2005 | Lee Sensenbrenner

Posted on 08/23/2005 12:57:22 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

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To: Diana in Wisconsin

this for the low wage workers. the ones who probably already get a bunch of federal money anyway? free insurance, food, housing assistance, huge tax breaks, paid daycare...
look people, i'm glad you at least work, but mcdonalds shouldn't have to pay you to be sick. this can and will lead to abuse of the system. also this isn't fair when you think about the fact that most of these "low wage jobs" have to call someone else in to cover the work the sick person isn't doing.


21 posted on 08/23/2005 1:22:09 PM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: Beelzebubba

Exactly!

I employ 5 people here at the store. If one of them calls in sick, I have to pay one of the others to cover. I can't also pay the sick one. Providing coverage for them would cost 3 times the annual mortgage on the building. I just don't have it. The grocery business is very low margin. And I'm a single, independent, not a chain.

If the state of VA were to mandate health care, the store would be closed in 24 hours.

I can't afford to get sick. No one pays me to be out. I worked with pneumonia last year. Took my meds and wore a mask.


22 posted on 08/23/2005 1:24:36 PM PDT by CTOCS (This space left intentionally blank...)
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To: Beelzebubba

"Who pays the self-employed when they get sick?"

I'm self-employed. I compensate for sick days by hogging all the profits for myself, so it all balances out if I have to take a day off. ;)

I can't believe Madistan hasn't found a way to screw the self-employed yet. I can see Austin King scribbling in his little notebook already, "Note to self: Find way to screw self-employed citizenry NEXT! Untapped resource for city funds!"

I hate these people.


23 posted on 08/23/2005 1:25:29 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Alter Kaker
"In an ideal world, however, this is something that employers do for themselves, not a legislative fiat."

It's quite simple really: If the business believes that the benefits of offering sick benefits outweigh the costs then they are already doing it. This includes a large majority of businesses. If they don't believe it's worth the costs, this imposes it on them. Thus, to the extent that the people running a business understand it better than the city council of Madison Wisconsin this represents a net loss.
24 posted on 08/23/2005 1:28:22 PM PDT by Moral Hazard ("Now therefore kill every male among the little ones" - Numbers 31:17)
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To: All

100 hard-working and put-upon Liberals in the crowd, and 1 Conservative who hasn't worked an honest day in his life!

Well, that's how Howard Dean would describe the scene, anyway... ;)


25 posted on 08/23/2005 1:28:29 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Alter Kaker
Mildly ill workers who take days off are less likely to get sicker (and miss many more days of work, which costs businesses money

This has been run up the flag pole forever. It's BS. The mildly ill are only too infirm for work, go to the mall see how many show up there.

26 posted on 08/23/2005 1:34:59 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Simple business solution #1: turn vacation days into sick days.

Simple business solution #2: tell City Council to "stick it" and make it stick.

27 posted on 08/23/2005 1:35:02 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Owl_Eagle

I wonder why the "crowd" was not at work?

How may were municipal employee's given the time off to show at the meeting? How many were dead beats looking for a place to get in some air conditioning?

How many were SS recipients already living off the government?


28 posted on 08/23/2005 1:35:12 PM PDT by JSteff
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Doing a little bit of quick math: if employees average 4 sick days per year (including illnesses, injuries, hangovers, and long weekend flu), all the boss has to do is cut everyone's pay by 2% to cover them. I'm sure everyone in Madison will be happy with that.
29 posted on 08/23/2005 1:39:27 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Bork should have had Kennedy's USSC seat and Kelo v. New London would have gone the other way.)
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To: KarlInOhio

You are really smart, smarter than 99% of the speakers at that meeting!


30 posted on 08/23/2005 1:45:21 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Alter Kaker

Why should the company have to pay for this by mandate...shouldn't this be a bargained for exchange? Why should the government stick its nose in here? Bad, bad, bad...


31 posted on 08/23/2005 1:52:06 PM PDT by Tulane
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
The usual.........
Madison is defined as 20 square miles surrounded by reality.
32 posted on 08/23/2005 2:57:28 PM PDT by newcthem (Legal voters? We don't need no stinkin legal voters.....This is the Peoples Republic of Wisconsin.)
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To: Beelzebubba
Who pays the self-employed when they get sick?

What about those that don't have a job? Huh? This proposal is discriminatory.

33 posted on 08/23/2005 3:05:32 PM PDT by fuquadukie (If you can't hang with the big dogs, then don't jump off the porch.)
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To: balrog666

My place of employment figures sick time in with pto time, at the rate of 16hrs/quarter for a 1.0 fte. They used to separate sick time and pto. I really think putting the two together must work at getting fewer 'sick' calls since it has continued.

Separating the two (as is done at another similar institution) seems to ensure that most employees will call in sick enough times to make sure they don't lose the extra hours, which seems to punish those who never call in sick even tho they lose that 'extra' time off and end up taking up the slack for those that do.

I kinda like the way my employer does it better, since i seem to be healthy enough not to ever actually have to call in sick.


34 posted on 08/23/2005 4:05:54 PM PDT by tickles
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To: Beelzebubba
Who pays the self-employed when they get sick?

In a socialist regime, there is no provision for self-employed people. In their perfect world, we would all work for the state.

35 posted on 08/23/2005 4:13:21 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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