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Editor Explains Reasons for 'Intelligent Design' Article
The Washington Post ^ | Friday, August 19, 2005; Page A19 | Michael Powell

Posted on 08/21/2005 8:17:20 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger

Evolutionary biologist Richard Sternberg made a fateful decision a year ago.

As editor of the hitherto obscure Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington, Sternberg decided to publish a paper making the case for "intelligent design," a controversial theory that holds that the machinery of life is so complex as to require the hand -- subtle or not -- of an intelligent creator.

Within hours of publication, senior scientists at the Smithsonian Institution -- which has helped fund and run the journal -- lashed out at Sternberg as a shoddy scientist and a closet Bible thumper.

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"We do stand by evolution -- we are a scientific organization," said Linda St. Thomas, the spokeswoman.

There is a difference between science being practiced (medicine, research to learn about sickness, disease, etc.) and theorizing about origins. Let's keep the borders clear, shall we? Evolution is a belief, just like Creation, except with less evidence and more proclaimers.

1 posted on 08/21/2005 8:17:21 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger
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You have been pinged because of your interest in matters of Creation vs. Evolution, Creation trumping evolution, and evolutionary fraud. Freep-mail me if you want on/off this list.

Colossians 1:16 "For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him."
2 posted on 08/21/2005 8:20:32 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger (Be on your guard; stand firm in the faith; be men of courage; be strong. (1 Corinthians 16:13))
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Since when has the WP become a friend of Christians?


3 posted on 08/21/2005 8:21:01 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: DaveLoneRanger

"Within hours of publication, senior scientists at the Smithsonian Institution -- which has helped fund and run the journal -- lashed out at Sternberg as a shoddy scientist and a closet Bible thumper."


Probably called him a snaker handler as well, maybe even trailer trash. Could be the same bunch has set up shop right here on FR.


4 posted on 08/21/2005 8:24:29 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Timmy

Sound familiar????


5 posted on 08/21/2005 8:25:06 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Evolution is a belief, just like Creation

Somebody sure pulled your leg real good if you're naive enough to believe that!

6 posted on 08/21/2005 8:25:38 PM PDT by shuckmaster
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To: DaveLoneRanger
not to quibble but medicine is an art which is to be practiced. Most patients don't care to b part of experimentation - they want what has been proven to work. But many physicians incorrectly consider themselves scientists.
7 posted on 08/21/2005 8:28:03 PM PDT by corkoman (Overhyped)
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To: corkoman

Yep. I consider doctors to simply be mechanics, except the machinery is a little more complex.


8 posted on 08/21/2005 8:34:12 PM PDT by MarkeyD (I really, really loathe liberals.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

ID ALERT


9 posted on 08/21/2005 8:37:32 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (The radical secularization of America is happening)
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To: shuckmaster
If you really think that you are sadly mistaken. Tell me you don't believe in evolution and I will call you a liar straight out. Anyway, Haven't you heard that there has been a court ruling that declares atheism a religion?
10 posted on 08/21/2005 8:37:33 PM PDT by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Evolution is the belief of the mathematically challenged.
The higher you make the odds, the more excited and sure they get.


11 posted on 08/21/2005 9:12:21 PM PDT by ibme
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To: vpintheak

More to the point, the Supreme Court has found that secular humanism is a religion. The theory of evolution is a cornerstone of that religion.
No less an expert than ardent Darwinian atheist and philosopher of science Michael Ruse has asserted that evolution is the religion of dogmatic evolutioniary atheists, having written that;
"Evolution is promoted by its practitioners as more than mere science. Evolution is promulgated as an ideology, a secular religion --- a full-fledged alternative to Christianity, with meaning and morality. . . . Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today."
From "Saving Darwinism from the Darwinians," National Post (May 13, 2000).


12 posted on 08/21/2005 9:18:36 PM PDT by Elsiejay (Forever wondering)
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To: Elsiejay

That's interesting. Do you have a link to that quote?


13 posted on 08/21/2005 9:22:42 PM PDT by RussP
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To: DaveLoneRanger

I find the scientific establishment's insecurity and intolerance to be embarrassing. I don't know about ID but the reaction to it is illuminating.


14 posted on 08/21/2005 9:23:00 PM PDT by Maynerd
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To: Elsiejay

>More to the point, the Supreme Court has found that secular humanism is a religion. The theory of evolution is a cornerstone of that religion.

And their little hearts are faint because all their core beliefs depend on the fact that there isn't a God, but the deeper they dig into things, the more sure it is that there has to be a God.

Harvard is opening up a multimillion-dollar research to try and prove that life could have happened without God.

( "My expectation is that we will be able to reduce this to a very simple series of logical events that could have taken place with no divine intervention," said David R. Liu, a professor of chemistry and chemical biology at Harvard. )
http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/08/15/harvard.evolution.ap/index.html

"could have taken place with no divine intervention"

They don't like to even use the word God.

So, after all these years and after all the books, Evo's top scientists are desperately trying to prove the possibility of evolution in their "multimillion-dollar facilities".

In the words of one of Evo's top scientist, Steven Benner, they are "going for a solution to a problem".

What is the problem?
From the article:
"The theory of intelligent design says life on earth is too complex to have developed through evolution, implying that a higher power must have had a hand in creation."


15 posted on 08/21/2005 9:50:00 PM PDT by ibme
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To: DaveLoneRanger

I find it very telling that most IDers (of whatever variety) don't mind living in a world where everyone doesn't believe exactly the way they do*; whereas evolution believers can't STAND it that somewhere, someone, may disagree with them. They are the most intolerant bunch I've ever seen, besides promoters of the "gay" agenda.

*We just wouldn't mind if we were let out of the closet a little.



16 posted on 08/21/2005 9:55:58 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
There is a difference between science being practiced (medicine, research to learn about sickness, disease, etc.) and theorizing about origins. Let's keep the borders clear, shall we? Evolution is a belief, just like Creation, except with less evidence and more proclaimers.

Thank you for revealing your almost complete ignorance of a vast, well-supported field of science.

Just because you're unaware of the mountains of evidence for evolution, don't mistake your ignorance for reality.

17 posted on 08/21/2005 10:03:39 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: ibme
Evolution is the belief of the mathematically challenged. The higher you make the odds, the more excited and sure they get.

Wow, more lack of understanding mistaken for reality... There is far more math in the research papers of evolutionary biology than you can possibly handle, kid.

Run back to your creationist playground, if you're just going to post falsehoods and use it as a cheap excuse for unfounded sarcasm.

18 posted on 08/21/2005 10:06:08 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
If anyone had any questions about the veracity of this story you have erased them alll.
19 posted on 08/21/2005 10:07:49 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: little jeremiah
I find it very telling that most IDers (of whatever variety) don't mind living in a world where everyone doesn't believe exactly the way they do*; whereas evolution believers can't STAND it that somewhere, someone, may disagree with them.

You're full of crap, son.

Feel free to believe anything you want, including fairies and unicorns. We don't mind at all.

What we *do* mind is people lying about evolutionary biology (examples can be seen on this very thread). We mind people pushing propaganda and pseudoscience as science, and trying to shoehorn it into science classrooms.

In short, believe whatever you want, but expect opposition when you try to undermine science with lies and propaganda.

That deserves the same response which Michael Moore and his ilk deserve, and for exactly the same reason.

They are the most intolerant bunch I've ever seen, besides promoters of the "gay" agenda.

Yeah, silly us, we insist that creationists actually be honest about the subject, instead of bearing false witness, and spewing disinformation. How intolerant of us.

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but everyone is not entitled to their own "facts". Lie about science, and expect to get called on it. Poor baby.

20 posted on 08/21/2005 10:10:16 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Just mythoughts
If anyone had any questions about the veracity of this story you have erased them alll.

I make no apologies for being intolerant of lies, deceit, and propaganda.

If you want to defend them, that's your choice.

21 posted on 08/21/2005 10:11:36 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon

More to the topic of the thread, anyone who did, or sympathizes with, what was done to Sternberg has no authority to argue in this matter of Scientific Politics. And that's all it is.


22 posted on 08/21/2005 10:11:38 PM PDT by GopherIt
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To: Ichneumon

"I make no apologies for being intolerant of lies, deceit, and propaganda.

If you want to defend them, that's your choice."


One man's lie is another man's truth, been that way since the beginning. (Of course I am referring to two different body types)


23 posted on 08/21/2005 10:18:26 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: DaveLoneRanger
ID argues that life is too complex to have come about 'by itself'--it must have been designed by a Designer.

Going by ID arguement and assuming the Designer is at least as complex as what he designed, the Designer could not have come about 'by itself' and must have been designed by a super-Designer, and so on...I don't see how ID solves anything at all.

A scientific theory is judged on its usefulness at prediction, not its 'truth'. ID predicts nothing and so is useless as a theory, no matter how 'true' it may be. Just thought I'd get my two cents worth in.

24 posted on 08/21/2005 10:18:32 PM PDT by Cruising Speed
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To: ibme
And their little hearts are faint because all their core beliefs depend on the fact that there isn't a God,

Yet another lie. The majority of Americans who support evolution are *Christians*. Sorry if that makes your head explode, and shatters your paranoid conspiracy theory.

So, after all these years and after all the books, Evo's top scientists are desperately trying to prove the possibility of evolution in their "multimillion-dollar facilities".

Abiogenesis is not evolution. Try to learn ninth-grade science before you attempt to critique it.

In the words of one of Evo's top scientist, Steven Benner, they are "going for a solution to a problem". What is the problem? From the article: "The theory of intelligent design says life on earth is too complex to have developed through evolution, implying that a higher power must have had a hand in creation."

Yeah, so?

You should be happy about this -- if you're right, they'll discover the impossibility of natural processes. Why your panic? Afraid they'll uncover findings which instead undermine your untested belief? Afraid of what the research and evidence will actually show?

25 posted on 08/21/2005 10:19:15 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Just mythoughts
One man's lie is another man's truth, been that way since the beginning.

I wouldn't have pegged you as a relativist.

If you want to believe something as bizarre as the proposition that truth is relative, that there is no such thing as "the" truth, well, I have nothing further to say that can penetrate your "we could all be right" worldview.

26 posted on 08/21/2005 10:21:04 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: GopherIt
More to the topic of the thread, anyone who did, or sympathizes with, what was done to Sternberg has no authority to argue in this matter of Scientific Politics. And that's all it is.

Some of the attacks were inexcusably personal.

However, anyone who thinks that Sternberg should bear no *professional* repercussions for his failure to follow the proper standards of his *profession*, then you really don't understand the situation.

Try f***ing up at work and then whining about how it doesn't enhance your career, and see how far that gets you.

27 posted on 08/21/2005 10:24:37 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
"If you want to believe something as bizarre as the proposition that truth is relative, that there is no such thing as "the" truth, well, I have nothing further to say that can penetrate your "we could all be right" worldview."


I lived through Clintonism and you want to convince me that truth is not relative??? Words mean things to different people on different levels, evolution is not the path to truth.
28 posted on 08/21/2005 10:26:11 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Maynerd
I find the scientific establishment's insecurity and intolerance to be embarrassing.

Do you find the conservative establishment's "insecurity and intolerance" to Michael Moore and his ilk to be embarassing? It's an extremely apt parallel.

I don't know about ID but the reaction to it is illuminating.

"I don't know about Michael Moore but the reaction to him is illuminating". Discuss.

29 posted on 08/21/2005 10:26:26 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon

> Wow, more lack of understanding mistaken for reality... There is far more math in the research papers of evolutionary biology than you can possibly handle, kid.

Try me Bubba! Let’s see what you got.
Show me the equation – from rock to man – I’ll prove it’s mathematically impossible.
If you have trouble with the equation, I can help you out.


30 posted on 08/21/2005 10:27:53 PM PDT by ibme
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To: Just mythoughts
["If you want to believe something as bizarre as the proposition that truth is relative, that there is no such thing as "the" truth, well, I have nothing further to say that can penetrate your "we could all be right" worldview."]

I lived through Clintonism and you want to convince me that truth is not relative???

Wow, you really *did* swallow the left's propaganda...

Words mean things to different people on different levels,

And yet truth remains truth, and falsehood remains falsehood.

evolution is not the path to truth.

And you know this... how? And do you really think that this view of yours justifies lying about evolution, science, and its adherents?

31 posted on 08/21/2005 10:28:33 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: GopherIt
" anyone who did, or sympathizes with, what was done to Sternberg has no authority to argue in this matter of Scientific Politics. And that's all it is."

From what I understand it's a good journal. That's means reviewers should actually flag rubbish and send it back to the author(s) for revision, or refuse it outright. The paper he passed over as "science" was not science and it contained errors and hand waiving. It should not have been published.

Big time screw ups tend to cause commotion.

32 posted on 08/21/2005 10:30:12 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: Ichneumon
Evolution never stays in one place long enough to actually lie about it. Which is why it comes packaged with all the ifs maybes, perhaps, possibilities, probabilities, etc.
33 posted on 08/21/2005 10:32:40 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Ichneumon

>However, anyone who thinks that Sternberg should bear no *professional* repercussions for his failure to follow the proper standards of his *profession*, then you really don't understand the situation.

And you really don't understand Sternberg. Yup. It's a situation you don't really understand. There's no *however* and there's no, as you admit, *excuse* for it. Some Scientists are very tired of arrogant prigs running Scientific Politics. Let's see who wins this one.


34 posted on 08/21/2005 10:37:58 PM PDT by GopherIt
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To: ibme
Show me the equation – from rock to man

There's no way you can possibly be this naive. What kind of bizarre religion are you into anyway?

35 posted on 08/21/2005 10:39:33 PM PDT by shuckmaster
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To: Ichneumon

>Afraid of what the research and evidence will actually show?

No, I just get a laugh that all Evo’s top scientist know that there are serious holes in the religion of evolution and are desperately trying to shore up the walls before they cave in.

All the little Evo faithful are in sweet bliss not realizing they’re standing on quicksand.


36 posted on 08/21/2005 10:42:49 PM PDT by ibme
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To: Ichneumon

Wow, you just proved my point, thanks!

And I am not a Biblical young earth creationist by any stretch of the imagination.

Funny how your comments illustrated the comments you were replying to.

I don't mind you having your opinion, interesting that you and your ilk can't stand me having mine. And I "know" that you are wrong just as much if not more so than you "know" that I am wrong.

Have a nice night!

(BTW, you don't hurt my feelings at all, I find you kind of interesting and I hope that you don't get high blood pressure or a stroke from all that strong emotion.)


37 posted on 08/21/2005 10:43:05 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: ibme
[There is far more math in the research papers of evolutionary biology than you can possibly handle, kid.]

Try me Bubba! Let’s see what you got.

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Show me the equation – from rock to man –

What are you babbling about here? Sorry, but I'm not stupid enough to think that anyone can model such an open-ended process, since that would require complete knowledge of, well, just about everything, to such a degree that one would be able to, for example, predict the exact odds of a hurricane in March of 45,000 BC, since weather, among other things, affects evolutionary events.

You're not very clear on how science is actually done, are you?

I’ll prove it’s mathematically impossible.

Go right ahead. This should be... amusing.

If you have trouble with the equation,

Only because its non-linearly intractable, and NP-complete.

I can help you out.

ROFL! Okay, sure, go for it! Show us whatcha got. Teach grandpa how to suck eggs, sonny. Be sure to show your work, state all of your premises, and provide support for your choice of boundary conditions, as well as your reasons for leaving out the things not included in your model, and why these do not affect the validity of your results.

If you're going to do one of the usual brain-dead creationist "protein string probability" calculations, be sure to avoid the more common pitfalls and don't leave out the analysis of the redundancies of amino acid functionality. We'll wait.

38 posted on 08/21/2005 10:47:10 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Just mythoughts
Evolution never stays in one place long enough to actually lie about it.

I'm sure it looks that way to someone who gets his information from creationist pamphlets, but the actual field is quite stable.

Which is why it comes packaged with all the ifs maybes, perhaps, possibilities, probabilities, etc.

Yes, heaven forbid, science is aware the fact that all human knowledge is always necessarily incomplete.

Too bad you completely fail to understand the reasons for such cautious language in science. Typical.

39 posted on 08/21/2005 10:49:51 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon

Just like you claiming that most evolutionists in America are Christians?????


And you want to talk about "truth"? Christ set the standard and HE uttered NOT one word about evolution being His method of placement upon this earth.

Are you a Christian????


40 posted on 08/21/2005 10:53:40 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: GopherIt
[However, anyone who thinks that Sternberg should bear no *professional* repercussions for his failure to follow the proper standards of his *profession*, then you really don't understand the situation.]

And you really don't understand Sternberg. Yup.

Since you are unable to provide any actual rebuttal, or produce any manner in which my understanding of Sternberg is actuall flawed, it appears that you don't have any actual rebuttal other than "is not!"

It's a situation you don't really understand.

Sure, kid, sure.

Some Scientists are very tired of arrogant prigs running Scientific Politics.

This is about the science and scientific standards, not "politics". Or at least it is to the evolutionary biologists. To the creationists, of course, it's *always* a matter of politics.

Let's see who wins this one.

Hopefully, proper standards will be upheld, and shoddy hand-waving and misrepresentation like the Meyer article won't become too common.

41 posted on 08/21/2005 10:54:50 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: ibme
"The theory of intelligent design says life on earth is too complex to have developed through evolution, implying that a higher power must have had a hand in creation."

ID says the laws of physics are insufficient to govern nature. It's as simple as that.

Proof:

ID uses the laws of physics to make some calculation. The ID guy swears his logic is OK and his math likewise. The output of his calculation says, "the result of the calculation can't explain the observaitons."

There are then 2 remaining possibilities, because he swears his model is good:

1) The model is missing some -knowledge and understanding(of physics)
2) The model is right, the physics are 100% correct, that's all the physics there is, and there's an intelligent force

Take your choice:

The laws of physics are not sufficient and you abandon science and hire a shaman, else they are and you stick with science, admit ignorance and work some more.

In any event if you go for the shaman, he stays out of the science class.

42 posted on 08/21/2005 10:56:13 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: shuckmaster

>There's no way you can possibly be this naive.

Are you just talk?

I said, “Show me the equation – from rock to man – I’ll prove it’s mathematically impossible.”

Now, I knew you’d panic at that.
There isn’t one Evo that would dare consider all the odds.
They know it would evaluate to zero – impossible.

Pick any stage of the religion of evolution and let’s consider the odds.

If you’re having trouble, I’ll help you out.

We all start out as one cell and turn into 100 trillion cells, capable of reproducing the same.

Let’s consider the odds of that.


43 posted on 08/21/2005 10:59:37 PM PDT by ibme
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Oh no ... another evolutionist doesn't do the goose step anymore. Truth has finally gotten the better of him. Maybe his conscience was finally stirred after fantasizing all these years.
44 posted on 08/21/2005 11:02:57 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Ichneumon

>This is about the science and scientific standards, not "politics". Or at least it is to the evolutionary biologists

Again, there is no excuse for what was done to Sternberg, none, and it is behavior unbefitting those with *scientific* integrity. It was pure politics, or you don't understand the situation. By the way, the word 'proper' in the English language is subjective. Subject to distortion by arrogant prigs.

Keep writing and prove my point. Kid.


45 posted on 08/21/2005 11:05:52 PM PDT by GopherIt
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To: ibme
{>Afraid of what the research and evidence will actually show?]

No, I just get a laugh that all Evo’s top scientist know that there are serious holes in the religion of evolution

Evolutionary biology is not a "religion", although I suppose it may look that way to the person to whom *everything* needs to be viewed through a filter of religion (*cough*creationists*cough*).

and are desperately trying to shore up the walls before they cave in.

Wow, you really *HAVE* made the mistake of believing all that goofy creationists propaganda, haven't you? Sorry, but evolutionary biology is on even firmer footing today, than it ever has been, and that's really saying something, since it has been on a rock-solid mountain of evidence for at least 75 years now, and the mountain has just kept growing since then. The advent of large-scale DNA sequencing starting 20 years ago has resulting in an *explosion* of new evidence supporting evolution, and has settled the issue so thoroughly for anyone who actually bothers to examine and understand the evidence that for all practical purposes, the debate is *over*, and evolution has won hands down. Except, of course, to the sort of "I don't need to look at no stinking evidence" folks who favor conspiracy theories about faked moon landings, and anti-evolution creationist fantasies. Like it or not, you're close intellectual cousins to the Michael Moore followers.

All the little Evo faithful are in sweet bliss not realizing they’re standing on quicksand.

And you arrived at this conclusion due to your vast decades-long study of the primary scientific literature, right? Of course you didn't. You read a few creationist propaganda pieces and suddenly "you are a expert", who now "knows" more about a complex, vast subject like evolutionary biology than those poor simpletons who have spent their lives acquiring knowledge about it and doing intensive research on it, right?

The arrogance of know-knothing creationists never ceases to amaze me.

But hey, since you're so familiar with this field that you "know" that it's really nothing but an empty shell, resting on "quicksand", surely you wouldn't have any problem explaining what's wrong with the specific findings of the following studies, each of which certainly *appears* to support evolution, but only *you* know where they've actually made their mistakes:

(Note, a recent change at NCBI has broken a lot of these links, but you can still find those papers by Googling for their titles)

Banyai, L., Varadi, A. and Patthy, L. (1983). “Common evolutionary origin of the fibrin-binding structures of fibronectin and tissue-type plasminogen activator.” FEBS Letters, 163(1): 37-41.

Bazan, J. F. (1990). “Structural design and molecular evolution of a cytokine receptor superfamily.” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 87(18): 6934-6938.

Blake, C. C. F., Harlos, K. and Holland, S. K. (1987). “Exon and Domain Evolution in the Proenzymes of Blood Coagulation and Fibrinolysis.” Cold Spring Harbor Symposia on Quantitative Biology: The Evolution of Catalytic Function, LII: 925-932.

Fornace AJ Jr, Cummings DE, Comeau CM, Kant JA, Crabtree GR. “The Structure of the human gamma-fibrinogen gene. Alternate mRNA splicing near the 3' end of the gene produces gamma A and gamma B forms of gamma-fibrinogen.” J Biol Chem. 1984 Oct 25;259(20):12826-30.

Crabtree, G. R., Comeau, C. M., Fowlkes, D. M., Fornace, A. J., Jr., Malley, J. D. and Kant, J. A. (1985). “Evolution and structure of the fibrinogen genes: Random insertion of introns or selective loss?” Journal of Molecular Biology, 185(1): 1-20.  

Di Cera, E., Dang, Q. D. and Ayala, Y. M. (1997). “Molecular mechanisms of thrombin function.” Cell Mol Life Sci, 53(9): 701-730.  

Doolittle, R. F. (1985). “More homologies among the vertebrate plasma proteins.” Biosci Rep, 5(10-11): 877-884.

Doolittle, R. F. (1990). “The Structure and Evolution of Vertebrate Fibrinogen A Comparison of the Lamprey and Mammalian Proteins,” in ADVANCES IN EXPERIMENTAL MEDICINE AND BIOLOGY: FIBRINOGEN, THROMBOSIS, COAGULATION, AND FIBRINOLYSIS. C. Y. Liu and Chien, S. New York, Plenum Press. 281.

Doolittle, R. F. (1992). “A detailed consideration of a principal domain of vertebrate fibrinogen and its relatives.” Protein Science, 1(12): 1563-1577.

Doolittle, R. F. (1992). “Early Evolution of the Vertebrate Fibrinogen Molecule.” Biophysical Journal, 61(2 PART 2): A410.  

Doolittle, R. F. (1992). “Stein and Moore Award address. Reconstructing history with amino acid sequences.” Protein Science, 1(2): 191-200.

Doolittle, R. F. (1993). “The Evolution of Vertebrate Blood Coagulation - a Case of Yin and Yang.” Thrombosis and Haemostasis, V70(N1): 24-28.

Doolittle, R. F. and Feng, D. F. (1987). “Reconstructing the Evolution of Vertebrate Blood Coagulation from a Consideration of the Amino Acid Sequences of Clotting Proteins.” Cold Spring Harbor Symposia on Quantitative Biology: The Evolution of Catalytic Function, LII: 869-874.

Doolittle, R. F., G., Spraggon and J., Everse S. (1997). “Evolution of vertebrate fibrin formation and the process of its dissolution.” Ciba Found Symp, 212: 4-17; discussion 17-23.

Doolittle, R. F. and Riley, M. (1990). “The amino-terminal sequence of lobster fibrinogen reveals common ancestry with vitellogenins.” Biochemical and Biophysical Research Communications, 167(1): 16-19.

Edgington, T. S., Curtiss, L. K. and Plow, E. F. (1985). “A linkage between the hemostatic and immune systems embodied in the fibrinolytic release of lymphocyte suppressive peptides.” Journal of Immunology, 134(1): 471-477.  

Ghidalia, W., Vendrely, R., Montmory, C., Coirault, Y., Samama, M., Lucet, B., Bellay, A. M. and Vergoz, D. (1989). “Overall study of the in vitro plasma clotting system in an invertebrate, Liocarcinus puber (Crustacea Decapoda): Considerations on the structure of the Crustacea plasma fibrinogen in relation to evolution.” Journal of Invertebrate Pathology, 53(2): 197-205.  

Hervio, L. S., Coombs, G. S., Bergstrom, R. C., Trivedi, K., Corey, D. R. and Madison, E. L. (2000). “Negative selectivity and the evolution of protease cascades: the specificity of plasmin for peptide and protein substrates.” Chemistry & Biology, V7(N6): 443-452.  

Hewett-Emmett, D., Czelusniak, J. and Goodman, M. (1981). “The evolutionary relationship of the enzymes involved in blood coagulation and hemostasis.” Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences, 370(20): 511-527.  

Holland, S. K., Harlos, K. and Blake, C. C. F. (1987). “Deriving the generic structure of the fibronectin type II domain from the prothrombin Kringle 1 crystal structure.” EMBO (European Molecular Biology Organization) Journal, 6(7): 1875-1880.  

Jordan, R. E. (1983). “Antithrombin in vertebrate species: conservation of the heparin-dependent anticoagulant mechanism.” Archives of Biochemistry and Biophysics, 227(2): 587-595.  

Kant, J. A., Fornace, A. J., Jr., Saxe, D., Simon, M. J., McBride, O. W. and Crabtree, G. R. (1985). “Evolution and organization of the fibrinogen locus on chromosome 4: Gene duplication accompanied by transposition and inversion.” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 82(8): 2344-2348.  

Kornblihtt, A. R., Pesce, C. G., Alonso, C. R., Cramer, P., Srebrow, A., Werbajh, S. and Muro, A. F. (1996). “The fibronectin gene as a model for splicing and transcription studies.” FASEB Journal, 10(2): 248-257.  

Laki, K. (1972). “Our ancient heritage in blood clotting and some of its consequences.” Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences, 202(4): 297-307.  

Neurath, H. (1984). “Evolution of proteolytic enzymes.” Science, 224(4647): 350-357.

Neurath, H. (1986). “The Versatility of Proteolytic Enzymes.” Journal of Cellular Biochemistry, 32(1): 35-50.  

Oldberg, A. and Ruoslahti, E. (1986). “Evolution of the fibronectin gene: Exon structure of cell attachment domain.” Journal of Biological Chemistry, 261(5): 2113-2116.  

Opal, S. M. (2000). “Phylogenetic and functional relationships between coagulation and the innate immune response.” Critical Care Medicine, V28(N9 SUPPS): S77-S80.  

Pan, Y. and Doolittle, R. F. (1991). “Distribution of Introns in Lamprey Fibrinogen Genes.” Journal of Cellular Biochemistry Supplement(15 PART D): 75.  

Pan, Y. and Doolittle, R. F. (1992). “cDNA sequence of a second fibrinogen alpha chain in lamprey: an archetypal version alignable with full-length beta and gamma chains.” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 89(6): 2066-2070.

Patthy, L. (1985). “Evolution of the Proteases of Blood Coagulation and Fibrinolysis by Assembly from Modules.” Cell, 41(3): 657-664.

Patthy, L. (1990). “Evolution of blood coagulation and fibrinolysis.” Blood Coagulation and Fibrinolysis, 1(2): 153-166.

Patthy, L. (1990). “Evolutionary Assembly of Blood Coagulation Proteins.” Seminars in Thrombosis and Hemostasis, 16(3): 245-259.

Patthy, L. (1999). “Genome evolution and the evolution of exon-shuffling—a review.” Gene, 238(1): 103-114.

Roberts, Lewis R., Nichols, Lanita A. and Holland, Lene J. (1995). “CDNA and amino-acid sequences and organization of the gene encoding the B-beta subunit of fibrinogen from Xenopus laevis.” Gene (Amsterdam), 160(2): 223-228.  

Sosnoski, D. M., Emanuel, B. S., Hawkins, A. L., Van Tuinen, P., Ledbetter, D. H., Nussbaum, R. L., Kaos, F. T., Schwartz, E., Phillips, D. and et al. (1988). “Chromosomal localization of the genes for the vitronectin and fibronectin receptors .alpha. subunits and for platelet glycoproteins IIb and IIIa.” Journal of Clinical Investigation, 81(6): 1993-1998.  

Wang, Y. Z., Patterson, J., Gray, J. E., Yu, C., Cottrell, B. A., Shimizu, A., Graham, D., Riley, M. and Doolittle, R. F. (1989). “Complete sequence of the lamprey fibrinogen .alpha. chain.” Biochemistry, 28(25): 9801-9806.  

Xu, X. and Doolittle, R. F. (1990). “Presence of a vertebrate fibrinogen-like sequence in an echinoderm.” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 87(6): 2097-2101.

Zhang, Y. L., Hervio, L., Strandberg, L. and Madison, E. L. (1999). “Distinct contributions of residue 192 to the specificity of coagulation and fibrinolytic serine proteases.” Journal of Biological Chemistry, V274(N11): 7153-7156.

Zimmermann, E. (1983). “[The evolution of the coagulation system from primitive defense mechanisms].” Behring Institute Mitteilungen, 82(73): 1-12.  

The 2.0-Å crystal structure of tachylectin 5A provides evidence for the common origin of the innate immunity and the blood coagulation systems

Davidson CJ, Tuddenham EG, McVey JH. 450 million years of hemostasis J Thromb Haemost. 2003 Jul;1(7):1487-94.

Transposition mediated by RAG1 and RAG2 and its implications for the evolution of the immune system

Evolution of immune reactions

New insights into V(D)J recombination and its role in the evolution of the immune system

Evolution and developmental regulation of the major histocompatibility complex

Evolution of the IL-6/class IB cytokine receptor family in the immune and nervous systems

Layered evolution in the immune system. A model for the ontogeny and development of multiple lymphocyte lineages

Development of an immune system

The ancestor of the adaptive immune system was the CAM system for organogenesis

The evolutionary origins of immunoglobulins and T-cell receptors: possibilities and probabilities

Evolutionary perspectives on amyloid and inflammatory features of Alzheimer disease

Organization of the human RH50A gene (RHAG) and evolution of base composition of the RH gene family.

Molecular evolution of the vertebrate immune system.

Morphostasis: an evolving perspective.

Rapid evolution of immunoglobulin superfamily C2 domains expressed in immune system cells.

Reconstructing the evolution of vertebrate blood coagulation from a consideration of the amino acid sequences of clotting proteins

Evolutionary assembly of blood coagulation proteins

Exon and domain evolution in the proenzymes of blood coagulation and fibrinolysis

Evolution of proteolytic enzymes

Evolution of vertebrate fibrin formation and the process of its dissolution.

Common Parasite Overturns Traditional Beliefs About The Evolution And Role Of Hemoglobin

Scientists Discover How Bacteria Protect Themselves Against Immune System

The Evolution of Hemoglobin

Globins in nonvertebrate species: dispersal by horizontal gene transfer and evolution of the structure-function relationships

Reduction of two functional gamma-globin genes to one: an evolutionary trend in New World monkeys

Evolutionary history of introns in a multidomain globin gene

Hemoglobin A2: origin, evolution, and aftermath

Early evolution of microtubules and undulipodia

Flagellar beat patterns and their possible evolution

A temporary flagellate (mastigote) stage in the vahlkampfiid amoeba Willaertia magna and its possible evolutionary significance

The evolutionary origin and phylogeny of eukaryote flagella

Molecular analysis of archael flagellins: similarity to the type IV pilin-transport superfamily widespread in bacteria

Molecular evolution of the C-terminal cytoplasmic domain of a superfamily of bacterial receptors involved in taxis

Dynein family of motor proteins: present status and future questions

Origins of the nucleate organisms

The evolutionary origin and phylogeny of microtubules, mitotic spindles and eukaryote flagella

The evolution of cellular movement in eukaryotes: the role of microfilaments and microtubules

Kinesin Motor Phylogenetic Tree

Evolution of a dynamic cytoskeleton

Isolation, characterization and evolution of nine pufferfish (Fugu rubripes) actin genes

Evolution of chordate actin genes: evidence from genomic organization and amino acid sequences

Structural comparisons of muscle and nonmuscle actins give insights into the evolution of their functional differences

Molecular evolution of glutamate receptors: a primitive signaling mechanism that existed before plants and animals diverged.

Co-evolution of ligand-receptor pairs in the vasopressin/oxytocin superfamily of bioactive peptides

The evolution of the synapses in the vertebrate central nervous system

Evolutionary origins of multidrug and drug-specific efflux pumps in bacteria.

A comprehensive evolutionary analysis based on nucleotide and amino acid sequences of the alpha- and beta-subunits of glycoprotein hormone gene family.

The puzzle of the Krebs citric acid cycle: assembling the pieces of chemically feasible reactions, and opportunism in the design of metabolic pathways during evolution

The evolution of metabolic cycles

Evolution of the first metabolic cycles

Chemical evolution of the citric acid cycle: sunlight photolysis of the amino acids glutamate and aspartate

Speculations on the origin and evolution of metabolism

The Molecular Anatomy of an Ancient Adaptive Event

New prospects for deducing the evolutionary history of metabolic pathways in prokaryotes: aromatic biosynthesis as a case-in-point

Biochemical pathways in prokaryotes can be traced backward through evolutionary time

Enzyme specialization during the evolution of amino acid biosynthetic pathways

Enzyme recruitment in evolution of new function

Evolution of glycolysis

Bioenergetics: the evolution of molecular mechanisms and the development of bioenergetic concepts

Theoretical approaches to the evolutionary optimization of glycolysis--chemical analysis

The evolution of kinetoplastid glycosomes

Stepwise molecular evolution of bacterial photosynthetic energy conversion

Evolution of photosynthetic reaction centers and light harvesting chlorophyll proteins

Evolution of photosynthetic reaction centers

Early evolution of photosynthesis: clues from nitrogenase and chlorophyll iron proteins

Evolution of the control of pigment and plastid development in photosynthetic organisms

Chemical evolution of photosynthesis

Molecular evolution of ruminant lysozymes

Adaptive evolution of lysozyme: changes in amino acid sequence, regulation
of expression and gene number

Evolution of stomach lysozyme: the pig lysozyme gene

The evolution of trichromatic color vision by opsin gene duplication in New World and Old World primates

The Evolution of Color Vision

Molecular basis for tetrachromatic color vision

Molecular evolution of the Rh3 gene in Drosophila

Interphotoreceptor retinoid-binding protein. Gene characterization, protein repeat structure, and its evolution

Spectral tuning and molecular evolution of rod visual pigments in the species flock of cottoid fish in Lake Baikal

The evolution of rhodopsins and neurotransmitter receptors

Optimization, constraint, and history in the evolution of eyes

A pessimistic estimate of the time required for an eye to evolve

Sequence analysis of teleost retina-specific lactate dehydrogenase C: evolutionary implications for the vertebrate lactate dehydrogenase gene family

The eye of the blind mole rat (Spalax ehrenbergi): regressive evolution at the molecular level

The evolution of eyes.

Programming the Drosophila embryo

Evolution of chordate hox gene clusters

Hox genes in brachiopods and priapulids and protostome evolution.

Radical evolutionary change possible in a few generations

Evolution Re-Sculpted Animal Limbs By Genetic Switches Once Thought Too Drastic For Survival

Flatworms Are Oldest Living Ancestors To Those Of Us With Right And Left Sides Researchers Report In Science

The origin and evolution of animal appendages

Hox genes in evolution: protein surfaces and paralog groups

Evolution of the insect body plan as revealed by the Sex combs reduced expression pattern

Sea urchin Hox genes: insights into the ancestral Hox cluster

Theoretical approaches to the analysis of homeobox gene evolution

Teleost HoxD and HoxA genes: comparison with tetrapods and functional evolution of the HOXD complex

Evolutionary origin of insect wings from ancestral gills

Tracing backbone evolution through a tunicate's lost tail

Classification and phylogeny of the MADS-box multigene family suggest defined roles of MADS-box gene subfamilies in the morphological evolution of eukaryotes

Modification of expression and cis-regulation of Hoxc8 in the evolution of diverged axial morphology.

The ParaHox gene cluster is an evolutionary sister of the Hox gene cluster.

Gene duplications in evolution of archaeal family B DNA polymerases

Adaptive amino acid replacements accompanied by domain fusion in reverse transcriptase

Molecular evolution of genes encoding ribonucleases in ruminant species

Studies on the sites expressing evolutionary changes in the structure of eukaryotic 5S ribosomal RNA

Evolution of a Transfer RNA Gene Through a Point Mutation in the Anticodon

Archaeal translation initiation revisited: the initiation factor 2 and eukaryotic initiation factor 2B alpha-beta-delta subunit families

Universally conserved translation initiation factors

Genetic code in evolution: switching species-specific aminoacylation with a peptide transplant

Evolution of transcriptional regulatory elements within the promoter of a mammalian gene.

Codon reassignment and amino acid composition in hemichordate mitochondria.

Reconstructing the evolution of vertebrate blood coagulation from a consideration of the amino acid sequences of clotting proteins

Determining divergence times of the major kingdoms of living organisms with a protein clock

The multiplicity of domains in proteins

Characterization, primary structure, and evolution of lamprey plasma albumin

The origins and evolution of eukaryotic proteins

Evolution of vertebrate fibrin formation and the process of its dissolution.

Vastly Different Virus Families May Be Related

Selective sweep of a newly evolved sperm-specific gene in Drosophila

Activated acetic acid by carbon fixation on (Fe,Ni)S under primordial conditions

Molecular evolution of the histidine biosynthetic pathway

Accelerated evolution in inhibitor domains of porcine elafin family members

Tandem arrangement of the human serum albumin multigene family in the sub-centromeric region of 4q: evolution and chromosomal direction of transcription

The B12-dependent ribonucleotide reductase from the archaebacterium Thermoplasma acidophila: an evolutionary solution to the ribonucleotide reductase conundrum

Ancient divergence of long and short isoforms of adenylate kinase: molecular evolution of the nucleoside monophosphate kinase family

Convergent evolution of antifreeze glycoproteins in Antarctic notothenioid fish and Arctic cod

Evolution of antifreeze glycoprotein gene from a trypsinogen gene in Antarctic notothenioid fish

Evolution of an antifreeze glycoprotein

A model for the evolution of the plastid sec apparatus inferred from secY gene phylogeny

The evolutionary history of the amylase multigene family in Drosophila pseudoobscura

Accelerated evolution of Trimeresurus okinavensis venom gland phospholipase A2 isozyme-encoding genes

The evolution of an allosteric site in phosphorylase

Molecular evolution of fish neurohypophysial hormones: neutral and selective evolutionary mechanisms

Pseudogenes in ribonuclease evolution: a source of new biomacromolecular function?

Evolution of hemopoietic ligands and their receptors. Influence of positive selection on correlated replacements throughout ligand and receptor proteins

Evolutionary relationships of the carbamoylphosphate synthetase genes

The molecular evolution of the small heat-shock proteins in plants

Phylogenetic analysis of carbamoylphosphate synthetase genes: complex evolutionary history includes an internal duplication within a gene which can root the tree of life

Duplication and functional divergence in the chalcone synthase gene family of Asteraceae: evolution with substrate change and catalytic simplification

Evolutionary history of the 11p15 human mucin gene family.

Molecular evolution of the aldo-keto reductase gene superfamily.

Molecular evolution allows bypass of the requirement for activation loop phosphorylation of the Cdc28 cyclin-dependent kinase.

A Classification of Possible Routes of Darwinian Evolution

Generation of evolutionary novelty by functional shift

Mobile DNA Sequences Could Be The Cause Of Chromosomal Mutations During The Evolution Of Species

A domain model for eukaryotic DNA organization: a molecular basis for cell differentiation and chromosome evolution.

The domain model for eukaryotic DNA organization. 2: A molecular basis for constraints on development and evolution.

Minor Shuffle Makes Protein Fold

Genetic Stowaways May Contribute To Evolutionary Change

Evolutionary Molecular Mechanism In Mammals Found

Complete Genomes

Genetic redundancy caused by gene duplications and its evolution in networks of transcriptional regulators

Strong evolutionary conservation of broadly expressed protein isoforms in the troponin I gene family and other vertebrate gene families

Cases of ancient mobile element DNA insertions that now affect gene regulation

Punctuated evolution caused by selection of rare beneficial mutations

The origin of programmed cell death

The origin and early development of biological catalysts

DNA secondary structures and the evolution of hypervariable tandem arrays

Episodic adaptive evolution of primate lysozymes

Genome plasticity as a paradigm of eubacteria evolution

Evolutionary motif and its biological and structural significance

Neutral and nonneutral mutations: the creative mix--evolution of complexity in gene interaction systems

Exon shuffling and other ways of module exchange

Introns and gene evolution

New Drosophila introns originate by duplication.

Evolution and the structural domains of proteins

The role of constrained self-organization in genome structural evolution

A possible origin of newly-born bacterial genes: significance of GC-rich nonstop frame on antisense strand

The coevolution of gene family trees

The evolution of metabolic cycles

The emergence of major cellular processes in evolution

A hardware interpretation of the evolution of the genetic code

Speculations on the origin and evolution of metabolism

Probabilistic reconstruction of ancestral protein sequences

The contribution of slippage-like processes to genome evolution

Molecular evolution in bacteria

The structural basis of molecular adaptation.

Mitochondrial DNA: molecular fossils in the nucleus

Cases of ancient mobile element DNA insertions that now affect gene regulation

Tiggers and DNA transposon fossils in the human genome

The eye of the blind mole rat (Spalax ehrenbergi): regressive evolution at the molecular level

Tiggers and DNA transposon fossils in the human genome

Gene competition and the possible evolutionary role of tumours

New Scientist Planet Science: Replaying life

Molecular evolution of an arsenate detoxification pathway by DNA shuffling

UB Researcher Developing Method That Employs Evolution To Develop New Drug Leads

Directed evolution of a type I antifreeze protein expressed in Escherichia coli with sodium chloride as selective pressure and its effect on antifreeze tolerance

Directed evolution of biosynthetic pathways. Recruitment of cysteine thioethers for constructing the cell wall of Escherichia coli

Exploring the functional robustness of an enzyme by in vitro evolution

Evolutionary algorithms in computer-aided molecular design

Evolution of Amino Acid Metabolism Inferred through Cladistic Analysis

Integrating the Universal Metabolism into a Phylogenetic Analysis

Invertebrate Data Predict an Early Emergence of Vertebrate Fibrillar Collagen Clades and an Anti-incest Model

Tachykinin and Tachykinin Receptor of an Ascidian, Ciona intestinalis: EVOLUTIONARY ORIGIN OF THE VERTEBRATE TACHYKININ FAMILY

DNA Replication Fidelity

Serial segmental duplications during primate evolution result in complex human genome architecture

Phylogeny determined by protein domain content

Evolutionary Genomics of Nuclear Receptors: From Twenty-Five Ancestral Genes to Derived Endocrine Systems

Gene Loss, Protein Sequence Divergence, Gene Dispensability, Expression Level, and Interactivity Are Correlated in Eukaryotic Evolution

The Evolution of Controlled Multitasked Gene Networks: The Role of Introns and Other Noncoding RNAs in the Development of Complex Organisms

Phylogenetic Dating and Characterization of Gene Duplications in Vertebrates: The Cartilaginous Fish Reference

Dating the Tree of Life

An Insect Molecular Clock Dates the Origin of the Insects and Accords with Palaeontological and Biogeographic Landmarks

Diversity, taxonomy and evolution of medium-chain dehydrogenase/reductase superfamily

Molecular archaeology of the Escherichia coli genome

Comparative Genomics of the Eukaryotes

Millions of Years of Evolution Preserved: A Comprehensive Catalog of the Processed Pseudogenes in the Human Genome

Asymmetric Sequence Divergence of Duplicate Genes

The Genetic Core of the Universal Ancestor

Evolutionary History of Chromosome 20

The Complete Mitochondrial DNA Sequence of Scenedesmus obliquus Reflects an Intermediate Stage in the Evolution of the Green Algal Mitochondrial Genome

Reconstructing large regions of an ancestral mammalian genome in silico

Occurrence and Consequences of Coding Sequence Insertions and Deletions in Mammalian Genomes

The Origin of Human Chromosome 1 and Its Homologs in Placental Mammals

Sister grouping of chimpanzees and humans as revealed by genome-wide phylogenetic analysis of brain gene expression profiles

Genome Evolution at the Genus Level: Comparison of Three Complete Genomes of Hyperthermophilic Archaea

The Evolution of Trichromatic Color Vision by Opsin Gene Duplication in New World and Old World Primates

Obcells as Proto-Organisms: Membrane Heredity, Lithophosphorylation, and the Origins of the Genetic Code, the First Cells, and Photosynthesis (Journal of Molecular Evolution, Volume 53 - Number 4/5, 2001)

N-Carbamoyl Amino Acid Solid-Gas Nitrosation by NO/NOx: A New Route to Oligopeptides via alpha-Amino Acid N-Carboxyanhydride. Prebiotic Implications (Journal of Molecular Evolution, Volume 48 - Number 6, 1999

Chemical interactions between amino acid and RNA: multiplicity of the levels of specificity explains origin of the genetic code (Naturwissenschaften, Volume 89 Number 12 December 2002)

The Nicotinamide Biosynthetic Pathway Is a By-Product of the RNA World (Journal of Molecular Evolution, Volume 52 - Number 1, 2001)

On the RNA World: Evidence in Favor of an Early Ribonucleopeptide World

Inhibition of Ribozymes by Deoxyribonucleotides and the Origin of DNA

I await your insights as to where the "mistakes" are in each of these papers, and why they are only actually "quicksand". Go for it.
46 posted on 08/21/2005 11:07:44 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon

>If you're going to do one of the usual brain-dead creationist "protein string probability" calculations, be sure to avoid the more common pitfalls and don't leave out the analysis of the redundancies of amino acid functionality. We'll wait.

Ok, now we know you can post a link and resort to name-calling.

Moving on, I'm going to help you with the formula.

1/A x 1/B x 1/C = odds


47 posted on 08/21/2005 11:08:46 PM PDT by ibme
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To: little jeremiah
I don't mind you having your opinion, interesting that you and your ilk can't stand me having mine.

Where on *earth* did you get the bizarre -- and incorrect -- notion that I "can't stand" you having an opinion?

Learn to read for comprehension, please.

48 posted on 08/21/2005 11:09:19 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Just mythoughts
Just like you claiming that most evolutionists in America are Christians?????

Yes, because they are.

And you want to talk about "truth"?

That is the truth. Deal with it.

49 posted on 08/21/2005 11:10:32 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
You claim to be for truth? The truth is these "CLAIM" to be Christians. A follower of Christ would not participate in the mockery of Christ and communion. So they are pretenders.

YOu did not answer my question - Are you a Christian?
50 posted on 08/21/2005 11:12:58 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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