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San Francisco Shuns Retired USS Iowa
AP ^ | Sat. August 20th, 2005 | Brian Skoloff

Posted on 08/20/2005 12:32:27 PM PDT by ajolympian2004

By BRIAN SKOLOFF, Associated Press Writer Sat Aug 20,12:24 PM ET

SAN FRANCISCO - The USS Iowa joined in battles from World War II to Korea to the Persian Gulf. It carried President Franklin Roosevelt home from the Teheran conference of allied leaders, and four decades later, suffered one of the nation's most deadly military accidents.

Veterans groups and history buffs had hoped that tourists in San Francisco could walk the same teak decks where sailors dodged Japanese machine-gun fire and fired 16-inch guns that helped win battles across the South Pacific.

Instead, it appears that the retired battleship is headed about 80 miles inland, to Stockton, a gritty agricultural port town on the San Joaquin River and home of California's annual asparagus festival.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif., a former San Francisco mayor, helped secure $3 million to tow the Iowa from Rhode Island to the Bay Area in 2001 in hopes of making touristy Fisherman's Wharf its new home.

But city supervisors voted 8-3 last month to oppose taking in the ship, citing local opposition to the Iraq war and the military's stance on gays, among other things.

"If I was going to commit any kind of money in recognition of war, then it should be toward peace, given what our war is in Iraq right now," Supervisor Ross Mirkarimi said.

Feinstein called it a "very petty decision."

"This isn't the San Francisco that I've known and loved and grew up in and was born in," Feinstein said.

San Francisco's maritime museum already has one military vessel — the USS Pampanito, an attack submarine that sank six Japanese ships during World War II and has about 110,000 visitors a year.

Officials in Stockton couldn't be happier. They've offered a dock on the river, a 90,000-square-foot waterfront building and a parking area, and hope to attract at least 125,000 annual visitors.

After the Korean war, the Iowa was decommissioned and placed in reserve in a Philadelphia shipyard for three decades. In 1988, it was recalled to duty escorting oil supply ships safely in and out danger in the Persian Gulf. In 1989, 47 sailors were killed in an explosion that tore through a gun turret during a training exercise.

The warship, decommissioned by the Navy in 1990, is currently anchored with a mothballed fleet in Suisun Bay, near the mouth of the San Joaquin-Sacramento River Delta.

San Francisco's rejection of such a storied battleship is a slap in the nation's face, said Douglass Wilhoit, head of Stockton's Chamber of Commerce.

"We're lucky our men and women have sacrificed their lives ... to protect our freedom," Wilhoit said. "Wherever you stand on the war in Iraq ... you shouldn't make a decision based on philosophy."

Rep. Richard W. Pombo, R-Calif., has sponsored legislation authorizing the ship's permanent move to Stockton. Feinstein has countered with a bill to open bidding to any California city.

The two versions will have to be reconciled by a House-Senate conference committee considering the Pentagon spending bill.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: battleship; california; californiasenator; dianefeinstein; feinstein; navy; sanfrancsico; snub; stockton; usn; ussiowa
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The battleship USS Iowa is towed through the Carquinez Straits near Benicia, Calif.,in this April 21, 2001 photo, as it makes its way toward the mothball fleet in Suisun Bay. In 1943, the Iowa ferried President Franklin Roosevelt home from the Teheran Conference, where post-WW II leaders divided.

1 posted on 08/20/2005 12:32:27 PM PDT by ajolympian2004
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To: ajolympian2004

The HIV has severely affected the brains of Board of Supervisors.


2 posted on 08/20/2005 12:35:28 PM PDT by NathanBookman (See the deer. Does the deer have a little dough?)
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To: ajolympian2004

They don't deserve to have the Iowa. A good decision for all.


3 posted on 08/20/2005 12:35:42 PM PDT by somemoreequalthanothers (All for the betterment of "the state", comrade)
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To: ajolympian2004

I think the Iowa should emty its magazines shooting 16 inch shells into San Francisco.


4 posted on 08/20/2005 12:37:12 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: ajolympian2004

I think the Iowa should empty its magazines shooting 16 inch shells into San Francisco.


5 posted on 08/20/2005 12:37:33 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: ajolympian2004

Probably saves the USS Iowa from becoming a homeless shelter or anti war headquarters.


6 posted on 08/20/2005 12:37:53 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: somemoreequalthanothers

Ditto.


7 posted on 08/20/2005 12:38:23 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: ajolympian2004
Why not on the Mississippi in Davenport Iowa?

Could become the worlds largest river boat casino and museum.

8 posted on 08/20/2005 12:38:23 PM PDT by dts32041 (Shinkichi: Massuer, did you see that? Zatôichi: I don't see much)
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To: ajolympian2004

I suggest that if the city of San Francisco has such a hostile attitude towards those who defend it, then the protection it presently enjoys should be removed. All military personal in its environs should be moved to other bases until further notice.

Message to the the SF city government: I'd call you ungrateful arseheads, but you'd likely consider that a compliment.

Ivan


9 posted on 08/20/2005 12:39:21 PM PDT by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: ajolympian2004
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Did they consult these guys?

10 posted on 08/20/2005 12:40:17 PM PDT by sassbox
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To: ajolympian2004
I bet a statue of Osama would bring joy to all thanfranthiscans.
11 posted on 08/20/2005 12:40:33 PM PDT by TheForceOfOne (The alternative media is our Enigma machine.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
I think the Iowa should emty its magazines shooting 16 inch shells into San Francisco.

Works for me.

12 posted on 08/20/2005 12:40:42 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Someday, we'll look back on this, laugh nervously and change the subject.)
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To: ajolympian2004

A Battleship is just too heterosexual a symbol for that town.

On the other hand, I would think the local gay population would appreciate those "16 inch guns".


13 posted on 08/20/2005 12:41:18 PM PDT by Arkie2 (No, I never voted for Bill Clinton. I don't plan on voting Republican again!)
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To: dts32041
Why not on the Mississippi in Davenport Iowa? Could become the worlds largest river boat casino and museum.

I agree with the Iowa part of your suggestion.

If San Francisco would have taken the USS Iowa it could always be on standby in case of trouble in Berkeley. ;)

14 posted on 08/20/2005 12:41:35 PM PDT by ajolympian2004
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To: ajolympian2004
"This isn't the San Francisco that I've known and loved and grew up in and was born in,"

No....but it's one you helped to create.

15 posted on 08/20/2005 12:42:42 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: ncountylee

Here are some other missed "opportunities":

-- a floating ward for AIDS patients.
-- world's largest floating gay bathhouse.


16 posted on 08/20/2005 12:42:49 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: ajolympian2004

Feinstein is right. Petty indeed. I am ashamed for my city, not for the first or last time I am sure.


17 posted on 08/20/2005 12:42:54 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: dts32041

"Could become the worlds largest river boat casino and museum".


I couldn't think of a more disgraceful and ignominious end for such a noble symbol. Better to scuttle her.


18 posted on 08/20/2005 12:44:18 PM PDT by Arkie2 (No, I never voted for Bill Clinton. I don't plan on voting Republican again!)
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To: ajolympian2004
If San Francisco would have taken the USS Iowa it could always be on standby in case of trouble in Berkeley. ;)

Fotunately with three batteries, it could aim at targets in three different directions simultaneously.

19 posted on 08/20/2005 12:44:20 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: ajolympian2004

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1467294/posts


20 posted on 08/20/2005 12:45:37 PM PDT by chasio649
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To: ajolympian2004

Well, this about settles it. I'll die never having seen San Francisco.


21 posted on 08/20/2005 12:46:47 PM PDT by Dionysius (ACLU is the enemy)
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To: buwaya
Feinstein is right. Petty indeed. I am ashamed for my city, not for the first or last time I am sure.

I remember back in the 80's when Feinstein was mayor of San Francisco and she invited back the Navy and their annual Bay Area Fleetweek. I'll never forget the Navy Blue Angels demonstration at the now plowed over Chrissy Field north of Fisherman's Wharf. The solo 5 and 6 planes made some low passes right over downtown that upset the wimpy, whiny, wish- washy leftists in the city.

22 posted on 08/20/2005 12:47:10 PM PDT by ajolympian2004
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To: eddie willers
Senator Feinstien said, "This isn't the San Francisco that I've known and loved and grew up in and was born in,"

No....but it's one you helped to create.

My initial thought too. She has no room to complain.

23 posted on 08/20/2005 12:49:02 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Paleo Conservative

Sounds good to me!


24 posted on 08/20/2005 12:50:44 PM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: TXFireman

ping


25 posted on 08/20/2005 12:51:34 PM PDT by Jonx6
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To: dts32041
Why not on the Mississippi in Davenport Iowa?

I think there are problems getting it there. We would have liked to have had her sister ship, the USS Wisconsin, in Wisconsin, but for various technical reasons it couldn't be brought up the Mississippi, and it couldn't be brought down the locks into the Great Lakes. So she rests in Norfolk now at a nice museum.
26 posted on 08/20/2005 12:51:48 PM PDT by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: rbg81
-- a floating ward for AIDS patients.

-- world's largest floating gay bathhouse.

ROFLMAO

27 posted on 08/20/2005 12:54:15 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Paleo Conservative
I think the Iowa should empty its magazines shooting 16 inch shells into San Francisco.

Should we have done the same to Montgomery Alabama after they removed the Ten Commandments monument from their state building?

Or is this just a California thing?

28 posted on 08/20/2005 12:56:34 PM PDT by Black Tooth
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To: sassbox
Not all that far off...
29 posted on 08/20/2005 1:02:43 PM PDT by micawber20
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To: ajolympian2004

LOL!
San Francisco is far to the Left even of Senator Fineswine!
I love it!


30 posted on 08/20/2005 1:06:33 PM PDT by Redbob
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To: ajolympian2004
Frisco Sucks!

Oh yeah, they're PROUD of that.

These clowns dishonor the Nation with their infantile tantrums and invincible ignorance.

San Francisco was not so long ago a friend of the Fleet, without any sexual or deviant behavior motives.

But that was a San Francisco whose people loved America.

That was a San Francisco that had "INDIANS!" as sports mascots not little red birds.

That was a San Francisco that is no more.
31 posted on 08/20/2005 1:06:40 PM PDT by porkchops 4 mahound ("Evolution, opiate of the Atheists")
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To: Black Tooth
Should we have done the same to Montgomery Alabama after they removed the Ten Commandments monument from their state building?

Or is this just a California thing?

Montgomery Alabama has no history of disrespecting the military in general, the Navy in particular like san francisco does. san francisco is FAMOUS for it's hatred of the military and serviceman. From spitting on returning Viet Nam vets to turning down the Iowa. There are not too many military bases left in the bay area, Concord is the only Navy base I can think of right now. This is NOT a California thing, just the bay area.
Jack
32 posted on 08/20/2005 1:08:07 PM PDT by btcusn (Giving up the right to arms is a mistake a free people get to make only once.)
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To: ajolympian2004

Bring her on down a little further to San Diego (home of the USS Reagan)! We already have the Midway. We love bettleships!


33 posted on 08/20/2005 1:09:39 PM PDT by CAluvdubya (Has anyone seen my copy of "Able Danger for DUmmies"?)
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But city supervisors voted 8-3 last month to oppose taking in the ship, citing local opposition to the Iraq war and the military's stance on gays, among other things.

Yes, you're really going to attract lots of out-of-state tourists by catering to the dirty hippies and two-percenters. Nice.

34 posted on 08/20/2005 1:11:01 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Hey, Cindy Sheehan, grow up!)
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To: ajolympian2004

Damn San Francisco must truly suck.

Even rejected Feinschwein.


35 posted on 08/20/2005 1:12:03 PM PDT by wardaddy (Israel will get nothing for Gaza.)
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To: somemoreequalthanothers

"They don't deserve to have the Iowa. A good decision for all."

Words of wisdom. Thank You.


36 posted on 08/20/2005 1:13:18 PM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: ajolympian2004
But city supervisors voted 8-3 last month to oppose taking in the ship, citing local opposition to the Iraq war and the military's stance on gays, among other things.

If it weren't for valiant Americans who served on the Iowa and millions like them, Haight-Ashbury would be part of the Japanese empire and those city supervisors would all be slaves working central valley fields for the emporer.
37 posted on 08/20/2005 1:17:25 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: ajolympian2004

bring She to ME.

I have use for her.


38 posted on 08/20/2005 1:18:45 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: CAluvdubya

We already have the Midway.
The Midway was a GREAT ship, spent 3 years on her 79-81.
Jack


39 posted on 08/20/2005 1:18:50 PM PDT by btcusn (Giving up the right to arms is a mistake a free people get to make only once.)
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To: ajolympian2004

DiFi says some laudable things in this story. Credit where credit is due!

Clearly our other Senator, Barbara "Barking Moonbat" Boxer, is far more representative of today's 'Frisco than its former Mayor.


40 posted on 08/20/2005 1:19:03 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (You're it)
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To: CAluvdubya

Ditto that. We'll take her in San Diego.


41 posted on 08/20/2005 1:20:03 PM PDT by Two-Bits (The Democrat Party continue to embolden our enemies so our sons & daughters are kept in harm way!)
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To: advance_copy

Leave a flotilla 55 gallon drums full of K-Y jelly floating at the Iowa's former SF moorings of honor.


42 posted on 08/20/2005 1:21:55 PM PDT by chambley1
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To: micawber20

Is that the ninth circuit court?


43 posted on 08/20/2005 1:21:59 PM PDT by Tarheel (Tarheel born, Tarheel bred, When I die I am Tarheel dead.)
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To: dts32041

Davenport would be great but it could not get past the bridge in Baton Rouge


44 posted on 08/20/2005 1:29:23 PM PDT by HChampagne (I am not an AARP member and never will be.)
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To: CAluvdubya

That is a GREAT idea. It would not be respected in SF.

I recently went to visit the USS New Jersey, and they have a great site, very respectful, well done.


45 posted on 08/20/2005 1:31:33 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: ajolympian2004

If it was a floating bathhouse they would have no problem at all.


46 posted on 08/20/2005 1:32:40 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: ajolympian2004

I am glad they don't want it, it puts the Iowa closer to me and makes it easier to go see! I hate going to SF and that is a shame because it used to be nice to go there now and then and play tourist but since the 60s it just keeps going downhill.


47 posted on 08/20/2005 1:32:44 PM PDT by calex59 (If you have to take me apart to get me there, then I don't want to go!)
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To: btcusn
The Midway was a GREAT ship, spent 3 years on her 79-81.

Come on out and see her again! They have a great self-tour you can take. And across the inlet you can see the Reagan (if she's in port). These ships give me goosebumps!

48 posted on 08/20/2005 1:45:00 PM PDT by CAluvdubya (Has anyone seen my copy of "Able Danger for DUmmies"?)
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To: Dionysius
Well, this about settles it. I'll die never having seen San Francisco.

I've been to San Francisco.. once.
It didn't get my heart, I did go the mens room while I was there.
That's all of me that I left.

49 posted on 08/20/2005 1:52:48 PM PDT by The Brush
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To: eddie willers

Absolutely right.


50 posted on 08/20/2005 1:56:07 PM PDT by Christopher Lincoln
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