Posted on 08/10/2005 10:24:50 AM PDT by montyspython
And without permission, from what I hear.
Actually, according to the Turks, "what Armenians?" And similarly, "what Kurds? You mean 'mountain Turks'..."
And for those who do not know it the Turks had burst into Armenia and Greek speaking Byzantine Asia Minor in the fateful and ominous year 1071 AD.
"The Seljuk Turks migrated into Asia Minor during the eleventh century from the area around the Aral Sea. Alp Arslan defeated the Byzantine army under Romanos IV Diogenes at Manzikert in 1071. He then establish the Seljuk sultanate of Rum with Nicaea as its capital.. "
(http://www.maxwell.syr.edu/maxpages/classes/His311/Lecture%20One/Manzikert.htm)
Don't forget the "What Assyrian Christians?" too.
True - of course, Croatia didn't slide as far into darkness as the rest. It's quite worse and worse further south east one went from Zagreb. All I'm saying is all have suffered. I'm not sure it (whatever "it" was, I certainly don't know) was worth all the carnage and destruction.
Few things are worth war and war is awful, but we had to defend ourselves and we had to undertake Storm lest a Cyprus-like division still be in place as the UN wanted.
Croatia is a god-forsaken armpit rampant with anti-semitism and masses held for WW2 butchers. Better for it to be dissolved and immigrants moved in to start all over again.
If you do not live in Croatia, it is none of your business. But as Ariel Sharon and PM Sanader recently said during their summit in Jerusalem, Croat-Israeli ties have never been better. You have Serbia, work on that. In the meantime, Serbs are returning to Croatia and the Serb party leader says that it has never been better for Serbs in Croatia than it is now.
Serbs Doing Better in Croatia"
ZAGREB -- Tuesday – Representative of the Independent Democratic Serbian Party of Croatia, Ratko Gajic, said that standing of Serbs as citizens in Croatia has definitely improved.
“In the past ten years, our standing has seen a definite improvement. People are still faced with a number of hardships, but I think that great results have been achieved by our community, greater than even we who were fighting for the cause even expected.” Gajic said.
Gajic said that living is still hard in all locations in Croatia which were completely destroyed during war time, but said that this counts for both Serbs and Croats.
“Psychological-political and interethnic tensions still exist between Serbs and Croats in Croatia, but these tensions are settling down as well because people are realizing that there is nothing to be gained from them. The atmosphere will be better tomorrow than it is today. The worst has passed, but there is still a lot to be done towards a better life and building interethnic trust.” Gajic said.
In 1999 a best selling book there was "Mein Kampf".
Support for pro-Nazis shakes Croatian Jews
ZAGREB -- Campaigns to revive support for the pro-Nazi fascist Ustashe regime are worrying Croatian Jews.
In what struck the community as a particularly sharp blow, two Catholic churches -- one in the coastal city of Split and one here, in the Croatian capital -- celebrated Mass on Dec. 28 in memory of the late president of the Ustashe regime.
During the regime, homegrown fascists ruled wartime Croatia as a Nazi puppet state.
In addition, in recent months, the nationalism of Croatian President Franjo Tudjman has raised concerns among the Jewish community here about efforts to rehabilitate the Ustashe regime.
Tudjman drew fire last year by declaring that he wanted to rebury the bones of Croatian fascists at a Yugoslav-built memorial to the thousands of Jews and Serbs slaughtered at the Ustashe regime's Jasenovac concentration camp. The services honoring fascist Ante Pavelic only heightened Jewish concerns.
Croatia had 25,000 Jews before World War II, most of them prosperous and largely assimilated. Some 20,000 were killed by the Nazis or the Ustashe regime.
Organized by two right-wing political parties, the Mass in Zagreb was a standing-room-only event. The Dominican friar who led the service spoke of the political merits of the Croatian fascist leader. He made no mention of the thousands murdered at Jasenovac.
The 2,000 members of Croatia's Jewish community could take some consolation, however, in the outrage voiced in the nation's press.
The political daily Vjesnik called the services for Pavelic an act of "political blindness" performed by people who had forgotten the "principles on which the world order has been based after the Second World War."
Another newspaper, Novi List, said the Ustashe regime was the "project of a terrorist state, which from its very beginning outlawed many groups of its citizens. "Today, because of very transparent interests, horrible lies are being told about this period," the newspaper also said.
But some newspapers here have recently published articles that left the nation's Jews uneasy.
Several newspapers, for instance, ran pieces accusing famed Nazi-hunter Simon Wiesenthal of conducting a witch hunt because he sent letters to the Croatian authorities protesting the publication of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" last autumn in Croatia. For months, the notorious anti-Semitic tract has been on the Croatian best-seller lists.
The Jewish community has not sought a ban on the book out of concern that this would be viewed as an attempt to undermine the freedom of the press. The publisher of the "Protocols" recently wrote a lengthy anti-Semitic article in a weekly newspaper accusing both Wiesenthal and Croatia's Jews of hypocrisy.
The article also attacked what it described as the criminal behavior of the Jews in the Jasenovac concentration camp.
In a related incident, the official paper of the Croatian Writers' Association, Hrvatsko Slovo, ran an article accusing the country's Jews of ingratitude toward those Croatians who tried to help them during World War II. The paper also described Wiesenthal as obsessed by a maniacal hatred of Croatia.
Which "neo-nazis"? They were shouted "Ante" in praise of Gotovina, not Pavelic.
But I find your smear both laughable and pathetic. Smear is all that your side has left after Belgrade once again sold out the Croatian Serbs.
Yeah right....!!!
http://www.crnalegija.com/
That's a website. Do you have a point? There are neo-nazi Serb sites such as Stormfront Serbia. Does this mean that Serbia is a neo-nazi country?
Not a very nice link....tsk tsk.
A lot of Serbs seem pretty proud of what they did in Eastern Bosnia to, as do Albanians when they attack Serbs.
Just another day in the Balkans...
I've heard the toll was a few hundred, 7,000 and now 2,500.
Seems as confusing an issue as Srebrenica and Kosovo.
Looks like you have the same here....tsk tsk
ooohh...btw...
And this has what to do with Croatia's liberation of its occupied territory and the fact that Serbia once again sold out the Croatian Serbs?
Serbia didn't sell them out, Slobo did.
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