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Report says U.S. secretly held 2 prisoners (Amnesty Int'l says 2 Yemenis were held for 18 mos.)
AP on Bakersfield Californian ^ | 8/3/05 | Michelle Faul - AP

Posted on 08/03/2005 6:15:44 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) - Two Yemeni men say they were held in solitary confinement in secret, underground U.S. detention facilities in an unknown country and interrogated by masked men for more than 18 months without being charged or allowed any contact with the outside world, Amnesty International charged Wednesday.

Amnesty and human rights lawyers argued that the report added to long-standing claims that the United States has held "secret detainees" in its war on terror.

"We fear that what we have heard from these two men is just one small part of the much broader picture of U.S. secret detentions around the world," said Sharon Critoph, a researcher at Amnesty International who interviewed the men in Yemen.

Navy Lt. Commander Flex Plexico, noting that it was difficult to respond to a report he hasn't seen said, "We have said many times that the Department of Defense does not engage in the practice of renditions" - the transfer of terror suspects to third countries without court approval.

Plexico, a spokesman for the department, said it was important to note that training manuals of al Qaida terrorist network "emphasize the tactic of making false abuse allegations."

U.S. officials have denied allegations of secret detention facilities, saying they hold terror suspects only at the U.S. Naval base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In June, U.S. officials denied a suggestion from the U.N.'s special expert on torture, Manfred Nowak, that some undeclared holding areas could include American ships cruising international waters. Others have suggested "high-value" detainees could be held secretly in Diego Garcia, a British-held island in the Indian Ocean that the United States rents as a strategic military base.

Lawyers who represent detainees at Guantanamo have long believed that the CIA or other U.S. government agencies have used clandestine jails for terror suspects.

"The fact that there are underground CIA facilities somewhere where people are being tortured has been known for a while," said Michael Ratner of the U.S. Center for Constitutional Rights in New York City.

Amnesty said it interviewed Salah Nasser Salim Ali and Muhammad Faraj Ahmed Bashmilah in a jail in Yemen in late June. The group also spoke to a Yemeni government official who said the men were being held in that country only because it was a condition of their release from U.S. custody.

Ali told the rights group that he was originally detained in Indonesia in August 2003 and then flown several days later to Jordan; Bashmilah said he was detained in Jordan in October 2003 while on a trip to visit his mother.

Both men claimed they were tortured by Jordanian intelligence agents for four days and then flown to what they believe were underground jails in an unknown location.

Once there, they were held in solitary confinement for more than 18 months, interrogated daily by U.S. guards and blared Western music all day and night. No charges were ever filed against them, they said.

The men said their first jail was underground, surrounded by high walls and that it took more than 4 hours to fly there from Jordan. After six to eight months they were transferred to a modern prison run by U.S. officials a three-hour plane journey away that also appeared to be underground.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: amnesty; amnestyinternational; bleedingheartattack; held; michaelratner; prisoners; propaganda; ratner; report; scretly; secretprisons; shamnesty; yemenis
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1 posted on 08/03/2005 6:15:45 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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Two Yemeni men say they were held in solitary confinement in secret, underground U.S. detention facilities in an unknown country and interrogated by masked men for more than 18 months without being charged or allowed any contact with the outside world, Amnesty International charged Wednesday.

I was held in a secret, underground Swedish detention facility in an unknown country and interrogated by buxom 21-year-old blonde babes for more than 18 months without being charged or allowed contact with anyone else.

I'd like to go back now. Help me, Shamnesty International!! You're my only hope!!

3 posted on 08/03/2005 6:19:20 PM PDT by Prime Choice (Thanks to the Leftists, yesterday's deviants are today's "alternate lifestyles.")
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To: NormsRevenge

Good!!!


4 posted on 08/03/2005 6:19:28 PM PDT by demsux
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To: Chevy Sales
Ooops?

The monkeys are at home in cages.

5 posted on 08/03/2005 6:19:38 PM PDT by zarf
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To: NormsRevenge
"The fact that there are underground CIA facilities somewhere where people are being tortured has been known for a while," said Michael Ratner of the U.S. Center for Constitutional Rights in New York City.


Aluminum prices are climbing again.
6 posted on 08/03/2005 6:21:53 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 ( Heaven on Earth is where the nearest Starbucks is 60 miles away.)
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Ho hum. And why does Travesty International think they still have any credibility ?


7 posted on 08/03/2005 6:25:10 PM PDT by HKaddict
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To: NormsRevenge
Amnesty Int'l = apologists for Al Qaeda

"Michael Ratner of the U.S. Center for Constitutional Rights in New York City" = one of the scummiest, most idiotic lefties around

I'd have to have much better sources than these before I'd even start to care. The real issue is, when will it become understood that we are in a war for the survival of civilization, and there should only be three possible penalities for captured terrorists and their enablers, logisticians, propagandists, financiers, etc.:

1) DEATH penalty for all who attempt or succeed with actual terror attacks;
2) LIFE in prison for all others, except
3) I would allow some limited use of 25-30 year prison terms for those who are truly peripheral players AND who fully cooperate by spilling their guts on everything they know.

Whining and wailing about 'renditions' or 'secret' terrorist holding cells is proof that someone does not care about saving human civilization from the worst barbarians of our age.
8 posted on 08/03/2005 6:27:52 PM PDT by Enchante (Kerry's mere nuisances: Marine Barracks '83, WTC '93, Khobar Towers, Embassy Bombs '98, USS Cole!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Figures that Amnesty would believe the terrorists.


9 posted on 08/03/2005 6:29:12 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: crazyhorse691

I think we can all agree that it's cool we have underground bases..


10 posted on 08/03/2005 6:31:08 PM PDT by Skeeve14 (1980's RR-Communism Evil Empire 2000's GWB-Communism good for Business)
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To: NormsRevenge

these people have no rights - none. they have no rights as US citizens, and they have no rights as legitimate soldiers of a foreign government.


11 posted on 08/03/2005 6:31:12 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Chevy Sales

What's the oops? Everyone knows that other countries held some of the prisoners for us and performed the interrogation. So what? We weren't the only ones fighting this war? Or did you forget?


12 posted on 08/03/2005 6:31:13 PM PDT by Eva
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To: NormsRevenge
Two Yemeni men say they were held in solitary confinement in secret, underground U.S. detention facilities in an unknown country and interrogated by masked men for more than 18 months without being charged or allowed any contact with the outside world

Oh, if only this were true...

13 posted on 08/03/2005 6:32:41 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God)
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To: NormsRevenge

The good guys need to tell Amnasty Int'l to provide us with a little proof that these jugheads are actually telling the truth. Normal people know you can't believe a dang thing these murdering terrorists say. Amnasty Int'l needs to stop being so gullible. What a bunch of jugheads.


14 posted on 08/03/2005 6:33:04 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: Eva

this is no real secret - where are KSM, Zubayda, and BinAlSheeb? who knows. and they are never getting out (I should say, so long as a Democrat is not elected president), and they are probably never going to have a tribunal. they are simply invisible now.


15 posted on 08/03/2005 6:34:53 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview

I was going to add that it's too bad that the Yemenis were let out.


16 posted on 08/03/2005 6:36:20 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Chevy Sales

Oh, ok, sorry. Well, at least my comment needed to be said.


18 posted on 08/03/2005 6:42:59 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Chevy Sales
Dude....gimme your Lat/Long?

BALONEY!

19 posted on 08/03/2005 6:48:21 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: NormsRevenge
Report says U.S. secretly held 2 prisoners (Amnesty Int'l says 2 Yemenis were held for 18 mos.)

They shoulda held 'em for 18 years.

20 posted on 08/03/2005 6:50:31 PM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth-Estate is a Fifth-Column!)
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