[CasearianDaoist]

California or Massachusetts are in microcosm what we should expect to see from the Democrats.

Has there ever been an estaqblsihed socialist government that was not removed by external force or pressure?

A Socialist USA is nightmarish for just this reason: No one will be there to free us.

[IronChefSakai]

Thats why we have the 2nd amendment to protect us, not against criminals (like those in academia and the MSM would like you to believe), rather, against an oppressive government.

[mmercier]

>>Has there ever been an estaqblsihed socialist government that was not removed by external force or pressure?

The market economy is "pressure", but Yes. Socialism and communism simply collapse of their own inertia, as those who they live off of flee their control before they react. The leftists who would rule are innately lazy and corrupt, those they seek to rule are innately clever and fast movers.

In America we have 50 states and mobility. As is happening here (massachusets) the productive eventually flee. Soon all that will be left here are government workers, university employees, lawyers and illegal immigrants.

There is a house for sale on every street here, soon this one too.