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U.S., Turkey Condemn Congressman's Remarks (Tancredo)
The Washington Post ^ | 7/19/2005 | Benjamin Harvey

Posted on 07/19/2005 3:04:47 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak

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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
IMO Tancredo owes no one an apology. He just stated what might happen if this WOT goes on and on and the moderate Muslims (if there is such a thing) don't get these extremest under control.

Muslims have destroyed and occupied religious sites and churches in Israel, Pakistan and the Balkans and now have the nerve to get upset when someone tells them their religious sites might receive the same. It wasn't too long ago when the Muslim clerics called for attacks on their Vatican in Rome. These people are hypocrites.
61 posted on 07/19/2005 4:01:28 PM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
Henry Stimson changed because he appreciated "Japanese culture."

"The reason for his (Stimson) objection was that Kyoto was the ancient capital of Japan, a historical city, and one that was of great religious significance to the Japanese." -From Now it Can Be Told by General Leslie R. Groves

62 posted on 07/19/2005 4:03:17 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Tom Tancredo- The Republican Party's Very Own Cynthia McKinney.)
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To: Americanexpat
It wasn't too long ago when the Muslim clerics called for attacks on their Vatican in Rome

And going down to their level as tancredo did only gives the islamofascists the propaganda points to exploit.

tancredo tool their bait, hook, line, and sinker.

63 posted on 07/19/2005 4:05:36 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane

It's not going to make a difference in the amount of terrorism directed towards us. Maybe these Islamic idiots will do a better job outcasting the terrorist if they don't want see the complete destruction of Mecca and Medina. The war on terror is a Holy war no matter what we hear from our government. It's Islam v.s. every other religion on earth. Maybe we need to start treating it that way. If there are moderate Islamic leaders who don't want to see Mecca and Medina destroyed then maybe they will do more to stop world wide terrorism. If they don't then they should be considered the enemy as well.


64 posted on 07/19/2005 4:07:27 PM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (PRESSURE BUSH TO CLOSE THE BORDERS!!!)
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To: Dane

Modern propaganda techniques mean nothing in the muslim street.


65 posted on 07/19/2005 4:11:17 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
If it were up to me. If Islam set off a nuke or two in American. I would take out Mecca,Medina, and throw in the Dome of the Rock for Israel as a present. What would they do in return? Kill Americans? they already do. Declare war on us? they already have. become terrorists? they already are. So what do we have to lose? Nuttin Honey!
66 posted on 07/19/2005 4:12:42 PM PDT by fish hawk (hollow points were made to hold pig lard)
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To: bozot
Not all Japanese and Germans believed in what their governments were doing in World War 2 either but we still killed a lot of them. A lot of the people killed by our bombings were innocent but we didn't have any other choice if we wanted to win the war and save American lives. You have to be realistic when it comes to war. You can't win it fighting it in a PC way.

I don't see Islam any differently. I believe the majority of Muslims do feel sympathy for terrorist causes. They also very rarely speak out against terrorist actions in a sincere way. We need to pressure them big time to separate the terrorist sympathizers and the moderates.
67 posted on 07/19/2005 4:24:01 PM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (PRESSURE BUSH TO CLOSE THE BORDERS!!!)
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To: eleni121
Modern propaganda techniques mean nothing in the muslim street

Then coversely you are admitting tancredo's propaganda technique won't work either.

JMO, tancredo in his quest for press time has done harm and has made the job of the troops on the ground in the mid-east that much harder.

68 posted on 07/19/2005 4:25:40 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Jim_Curtis
If Tancredo's response is extreme, what would the appropriate response be for the situation he was responding to?

I'll attempt to take this one on. I think the response should/would be massive. It's not as if we wouldn't do anything. All undocumented immigrants would be hunted down and deported. Border security would *finally* become the A-1 priority...you wouldn't get in until you have been cleared by 10 different government agencies. The ranks of the US and other Western militarys would swell to levels not seen since WW2. Nations like Syria, Pakistan, and Iran would be invaded unless they didn't throw themselves to the ground and give in to every demand we had to go in and hunt terrorists. There wouldn't be but maybe 1 or 2 Democrats left in Congress (Representing Berkeley and Boulder Colorado of course). There would probably be widespread mob rule in European cities as Europeans scoured their nations of Islamic immigrants who would not assimilate and the politicians who had allowed it.

...and we might even use a couple nukes here and there (but probably much more surgically than just to wipe out Mecca) to take care of Tora Bora like fortresses.

69 posted on 07/19/2005 4:29:31 PM PDT by Gator101
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

Pi$$ on these Turkish and American officials.


70 posted on 07/19/2005 4:31:31 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis)
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To: Dane

"tancredo in his quest for press time has done harm and has made the job of the troops on the ground in the mid-east that much harder."

No he hasn't.


71 posted on 07/19/2005 4:33:09 PM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (PRESSURE BUSH TO CLOSE THE BORDERS!!!)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
It's time the planet is cured of the worldwide mental illness known as Islam. Destroy every Islamic holy site. Vaporize Mecca, Medina, Qom, Damascus, Tehran, Riyadh, Islamabad, Mogadishu and their disgusting mosque in our "Holy City" of Jerusalem.

Demonstrate to them that Allah, their false moon-god, is worthless and impotent. Destroying their faith is the only way to win this war.

Think Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo, Berlin and Dresden. We haven't had much trouble from the Japanese or Germans lately. MacArthur and Patton must be spinning in their graves over our failure to learn from history.

I, for one, don't think we should wait for our cities to become smoking ruins before exterminating our enemies with extreme prejudice.

5000 years of recorded history proves conclusively that "Peace" can never be "negotiated". The losers must beg for it.

72 posted on 07/19/2005 4:35:28 PM PDT by 10mm
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
Perhaps after the next massive muslim attack on America, George Bush will again pad, in stocking feet, into a U.S. mosque and again stammer on about "religion of peace", etc.
73 posted on 07/19/2005 4:39:53 PM PDT by dagnabbit (Vincente Fox's opening line at the Mexico-USA summit meeting: "Bring out the Gimp!")
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To: Dane

Islamists are idiots. That is precisely the logic commonly used by the left. Who are also idiots. There's every reason to believe that the Islamists are sopping up the chimera from the left and their remarkably wrong strategies don't come from a good distinction between the worldview of the left and reality.

Threatening to blow up the places of warship of the islamfascist world as you call it is language they understand and fear. Appeasers can only help maintain their actions. Unless you want us to get involved with what Israel has gone through since 1948, statements like Tancredo's can only help.

Reagan threatened to blow the commies to extinction - and that got their attention! Same with the muzzies.


74 posted on 07/19/2005 4:56:03 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: fish hawk
If it were up to me. If Islam set off a nuke or two in American. I would take out Mecca,Medina, and throw in the Dome of the Rock for Israel as a present. What would they do in return? Kill Americans? they already do. Declare war on us? they already have. become terrorists? they already are. So what do we have to lose? Nuttin Honey!

Bingo. Right on the money.

75 posted on 07/19/2005 5:04:19 PM PDT by Prime Choice (Thanks to the Leftists, today's deviants will be tomorrow's oppressed minority.)
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To: eleni121
I love it when people bring up "moderate Muslims," don't you?   :o)


76 posted on 07/19/2005 5:06:42 PM PDT by Prime Choice (Thanks to the Leftists, today's deviants will be tomorrow's oppressed minority.)
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To: Sam Gamgee
"The worst mistake conservatives can make is apologizing for being conservative"

There is nothing conservative about what Tancredo said.

77 posted on 07/19/2005 5:10:46 PM PDT by bayourod (There's nothing conservative about being Anti-business, Anti-Bush, Anti-14th, Anti-immigrant, Anti-f)
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To: Prime Choice

You hit the nail on the head...no such thing as a moderate Muslim. They were not when they were spawned and they are not now. Their ideology attracts mentally unstable defectives.


78 posted on 07/19/2005 5:15:13 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak



Every junior high school football coach knows that you don't make stupid statements that the others team's coach can use to pump up his players.
Tancredo's blatherings will be repeated in every terrorist training camp and Muslim school in the world.

He will become the best recruiting tool for suicide bombers in the history of Islam terrorism.

Tancredo has undermined all of the good will created by our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan through all their good works.

I can't believe that any responsible American Congressman would willingly put our troops at increased risk by spouting the type of irresponsible bravado that one hears only from blowhards in locker rooms and beer joints.

Even the hysterical rantings of the keyboard chicken hawks on this thread may find their way into Muslim class rooms.

If just one American soldier loses their life because of Tancredo's attempts to raise money for Buchanan's website he should be thrown out of Congress.


79 posted on 07/19/2005 5:20:12 PM PDT by bayourod (There's nothing conservative about being Anti-business, Anti-Bush, Anti-14th, Anti-immigrant, Anti-f)
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To: Gator101
If Tancredo's response is extreme, what would the appropriate response be for the situation he was responding to?

I'll attempt to take this one on. I think the response should/would be massive. It's not as if we wouldn't do anything. All undocumented immigrants would be hunted down and deported.

Shouldn't we be doing that now instead of waiting until we are nuked?

Border security would *finally* become the A-1 priority...you wouldn't get in until you have been cleared by 10 different government agencies.

I'm seeing a pattern...if nuked, our response should be to do those things that we should be doing anyway?

The ranks of the US and other Western militarys would swell to levels not seen since WW2. Nations like Syria, Pakistan, and Iran would be invaded unless they didn't throw themselves to the ground and give in to every demand we had to go in and hunt terrorists.

We will respond to getting nuked by doing a door-to-door search for terrorists in Pakistan?

There wouldn't be but maybe 1 or 2 Democrats left in Congress (Representing Berkeley and Boulder Colorado of course).

That'll teach the America nukers.

There would probably be widespread mob rule in European cities as Europeans scoured their nations of Islamic immigrants who would not assimilate

Whould those be the non-cricket playing non-fish&chip eating Muslims you speak of?

and the politicians who had allowed it.

So the Euros will throw their Democrat types out also, that'll teach the America nukers.

...and we might even use a couple nukes here and there (but probably much more surgically than just to wipe out Mecca) to take care of Tora Bora like fortresses.

Who specifically will be in these fortresses that you have imagined, America nukers? You seem to be suggesting that we would simply continue doing what we are already doing, hunt down terrorists, but be a little more assertive about it...while US cities are in smoldering ruins.

80 posted on 07/19/2005 5:51:45 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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