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Death Toll Is Raised to at Least 50 in London Blasts
New York Times ^ | July 8, 2005 | Alan Cowell

Posted on 07/08/2005 8:20:29 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker

Mr. Blair, the London police chief, said workers had not yet reached the dead aboard a train in the tunnel near the King's Cross station where at least 21 died. Authorities asked for patience, saying it was unclear how soon they would reach the bodies, given the possibility of tunnel collapse and rats.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: deathtoll; london
The article is unremarkable, except for this bizarre comment attributed to London police.

RATS are preventing them from reaching the bodies?!?!?!

1 posted on 07/08/2005 8:20:29 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Not really..I just heard some of the Brit presser with the Mayor..Red Ken..I was expecting the LSO to start playing "Kumbaya" in the background..


2 posted on 07/08/2005 8:25:24 AM PDT by ken5050
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If an NYPD official had announced that New Yorkers needed to be patient about bodies from the WTC attack being retrieved, because of the danger posed by rats, there would have been a riot here.


3 posted on 07/08/2005 8:28:25 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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[London Terrorism:] British "Covenant of Security" with Islamists Ends

by Daniel Pipes
New York Sun
July 8, 2005
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2742

Terrorism usually comes like a bolt from the blue, but not so the four explosions yesterday in London, killing at least 37. Some British Islamist leaders have been warning for months that such violence was imminent.

An Islamist British group called Al-Muhajiroun - "the immigrants" in Arabic - for some time publicly stated that Britain was immune from Islamist violence because of its acceptable behavior toward Muslims within the country's borders. In an April 2004 conversation, the 24-year-old Sayful Islam, who heads Al-Muhajiroun's Luton branch, announced that he supported Osama Bin Laden "100%" in the quest to achieve "the worldwide domination of Islam," but went on to voice an aversion to himself performing terrorist acts in Britain.

Yet, Mr. Islam endorsed terrorism in Britain in a broader sense "When a bomb attack happens here, I won't be against it, even if it kills my own children. … But it is against Islam for me to engage personally in acts of terrorism in the UK because I live here. According to Islam, I have a covenant of security with the UK, as long as they allow us Muslims to live here in peace." He further explained. "If we want to engage in terrorism, we would have to leave the country. It is against Islam to do otherwise."

Covenant of security? What is that? In an August 2004 story in the New Statesman, " Why terrorists love Britain," Jamie Campbell cited the author of Inside Al Qaeda, Mohamed Sifaoui, as saying, "it has long been recognized by the British Islamists, by the British government and by UK intelligence agencies, that as long as Britain guarantees a degree of freedom to the likes of Hassan Butt [an overtly pro-terrorist Islamist], the terrorist strikes will continue to be planned within the borders of the UK but will not occur here."

The New Statesman story drew from this the perversely ironic conclusion that "the presence of vocal and active Islamist terrorist sympathizers in the U.K. actually makes British people safer, while the full brunt of British-based terrorist plotting is suffered by people in other countries."

A Syrian immigrant to Britain who headed Al-Muhajiroun, Omar Bakri Mohammed, confirmed the covenant of security, describing companions of the Prophet Muhammad who were given protection by the king of Ethiopia. That experience, he told the magazine, led to the Koranic notion of covenant of security: Muslims may not attack the inhabitants of a country where they live in safety. This "makes it unlikely that British-based Muslims will carry out operations in the U.K. itself," Mr. Mohammed said.

But in January 2005, Mr. Mohammed determined that the covenant of security had ended for British Muslims because of post-September 11, 2001, anti-terrorist legislation that meant "the whole of Britain has become Dar ul-Harb," or territory open for Muslim conquest. Therefore, in a reference to unbelievers, "the kuffar has no sanctity for their own life or property."

The country had gone from safe haven to enemy camp. To renew the covenant of security would require British authorities to undo that legislation and release those detained without trial. If they fail to do so, British Muslims must "join the global Islamic camp against the global crusade camp."

Mr. Mohammed went on overtly to threaten the British people: "The response from the Muslims will be horrendous if the British government continues in the way it treats Muslims," explicitly raising the possibility of suicide bombings under the leadership of Al-Qaeda. Western governments must know that if they do not change course, Muslims will "give them a 9/11 day after day after day!"

When Sean O'Neil and Yaakov Lappin of the London Times asked Mr. Mohammed about his statements on the covenant, he said his definition of Britain as Dar ul-Harb was "theoretical" and he provided a non-bellicose re-interpretation:

It means that Muslims can no longer be considered to have sanctity and security here, therefore they should consider leaving this country and going back to their homelands. Otherwise they are under siege and obviously we do not want to see that we are living under siege.

In a less guarded moment, however, Mr. Mohammed acknowledged that for him, "the life of an unbeliever has no value."

Yesterday's explosions mark the end of the "covenant of security." Let's hope they also mark the end of an era of innocence, and that British authorities now begin to preempt terrorism rather than wait to become its victims.


4 posted on 07/08/2005 8:31:22 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Does the Red Crescent have falafel dollies?)
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Covenant of security? What is that?

The youthful fanatic was quoted yesterday as explaining that this is some sort of Muslim code of honor, but I don't believe so.

There is one precedent for speaking of a British covenant of security. During the latter nineteenth century and early twentieth century, England gave refuge to numerous anarchist bomb throwers, marxist revolutionaries, and assorted terrorists, with the understanding that they could live in England as long as they did their dirty work elsewhere. The most famous of these refugees was Karl Marx, but there were numerous others.

Joseph Conrad paints a picture of this situation in one of his createst novels, "The Secret Agent."

No doubt some of these refugees became peaceful citizens, but by no means all of them. It was questionable conduct on the part of England's authorities to all this sort of "covenant of security" with unrepentant terrorists and revolutionaries.

Hopefully these bombings will cause a change in approach to the Muslim militants who infest England.

5 posted on 07/08/2005 9:00:38 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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RATS are preventing them from reaching the bodies?!?!?!

The police commissioner this morning used the word vermin...

6 posted on 07/08/2005 9:02:14 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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